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We were talking about Last Light. I never finished 2033.

But still, if you count Yahtzee's opinion it's 3 against 1 here.

Metro stealth >>>>>>> TLoU stealth.

Ari specifically mentioned 2033 and called the stealth in the series the gold standard, which is unbelievably wrong.

(It's Thief, but that's neither here or there.)

And of course you never finished 2033, because if you had you'd know how bad the stealth is. I dare you to do the Reds and Nazi levels in Metro 2033 stealthily. I fucking dare you.

Well... in her defense she's also posting from a phone, so.

In the context of what we've both played and the Zero Punctuation video she's referring to, I'm pretty sure she was actually talking about M:LL.

So typing in "Metro 2033" was just a slip of the thumb, eh.

Anyway I don't watch Zero Punctuation. If I wanted to listen to a grumpy Brit disgorging whole paragraphs about why we're all plebes for liking things, I'd go back to TTLG. As it is, I've had enough pseudo-intellectual white cock for one lifetime.

Well in that case you might as well just believe both of us that we were definitely talking about M:LL and not 2033, right?

That way you can avoid having to look up the reference and save yourself the white cock.

Then why mention 2033 at all? Oh, right, the stealth in that game is shit so we have to pretend you never said anything about it.

I honestly wouldn't know, but if it's even barely functional or has any semblance of consistency then I have to assume it's better than TLoU.

Assume away, but like a lot of other things, you're wrong.

Stealth in Metro 2033 basically works by following a step-by-step guide on gamefaqs so as best avoid confrontations, of which there is ONE path to success, and only ONE, and if you make the slightest mistake, the alarm is sounded, and sometimes you don't even need to make a mistake, they just go ham for the hell of it.

And it's not much better in Last Light, either.

You are objectively incorrect about both games. I succeeded - on Ranger Hardcore - using multiple paths. Herp watched me do this.

Well, I don't use mind-bending drugs, so as far as I know, I've never hallucinated the bullshit stealth sequences in the multiple times I've played through the Metro games. Maybe I should, I might imagine something better.

Git gud.

And we've reached peak douchebag. You and Herpy deserve each other.

Are you trying to imply something about me, here?

What... are you even talking about?

In M:LL there are multiple paths to take in any given layout. Generally there is an optimal one, sure, but in every level there was a high path, a low path, and a more direct route to the exit.

You could choose to sneak around enemies or you could use takedowns. There wasn't a single way to do anything. There was also always a set detection range and a set amount of seconds it would take for the alarm to be raised if someone found a body, so you could usually double back and take them down as well if that happened. I never had alarms raised "for no reason".

You can say I'm wrong all you like, but your opinion is the hard minority here, so I'm inclined to believe the opposite.

MLL's stealth is clunky and kind of stupid, but it IS actually laid out better, I'll grant that. But 2033's stealth is exactly what I described.

I'll take your word for it.

But ...like Ari said, she did finish M:2033 full stealth. What's more it doesn't really challenge the argument that TLoU's stealth is terrible, inconsistent, and doesn't even work half the time.

So sure: I'll concede your point out of total inexperience, but it doesn't really have much to do with the rest of it.

Except I never had a problem with TLOU's stealth, and indeed this started because I disagreed with the notion that 2033's stealth (though let's be honest, MLL too) is better than TLOU's. I'm pretty sure I even mentioned that somewhere in this thread. So maybe y'all need to, as Ari suggests, "git gud."

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I was - as I stated - quoting Yahtzee, who called MLL's stealth the "gold standard" by which other stealth games should be judged. I am posting from a phone and missed a word, but it should be clear since I specifically mention MLL as "brilliant" and not M2033, and make direct comparisons between MLL and TLOU, and not M2033, which one I mean.

So you're deliberately misreading it or you're dense as a sack of hammers.

I dare you to do the Reds and Nazi levels in Metro 2033 stealthily. I fucking dare you.

I did. On Ranger Hardcore. Ask Herp: I finished that game with every military grade bullet I picked up firmly in my own possession.

Why? Because the stealth was reliable and once you knew what you were doing it worked very, very well. It wasn't as good as MLL's, no, but TLOU's was a thousand times worse.

Honestly if quibbling a single poorly worded sentence is all you've got to defend your shitty game by, go to bed and I promise you your TLOU fanboy butthurt will feel better in the morning.

Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that Yahtzee was the Pope of Gaming.

And if you're calling the stealth in 2033 reliable, well, I can't argue. It was reliably shitty.

But you know what's funny? I don't even care about TLOU all that much. It was a nice game, nice enough to replay a couple times, but you're throwing a screaming fit because I like a game you don't and I don't like the stealth in Metro -- a series I actually ALSO like, in spite of its glaring flaws. All this started because it occurred to me that Herpy seems to run into ALL the bugs, and I couldn't help but wonder how much of those bugs weren't just PEBCAC.

Ah yes the old internet "screaming fit."

I made you mad so I win!!!

And Herpy's wrong about them being bugs IMO, it's bad game design. I mean if you're casting PEBCAC aspersions about TLOU I seriously have to cast them about Metro because a five year old could beat some of those stealth sections by just switching off the lightbulbs.

Go ahead and pretend that your ALLCAPS TANTRUMS aren't a screaming fit and are actually cutting rhetorical victories on your part, you clearly need this more than I do.

Anyway, I dunno man, that stairwell in Frontline is just bullshit. Lights off, me in the back, not moving, they'd still rush into the stairwell and perforate me. Stealth was more of a luck-based puzzle than anything else.

Haven't had a chance to play Redux, though, so maybe they fixed it.

Yeah my typing words whilst holding down the shift key are about as much tantrums as your epic refusal to leave despite having made the "I'm done here" pronouncement like half an hour ago because you.... must... respond!... is.

I bought Redux but I'm stuck out on a field course (hence the phone) with fuck all time to play it. I get leave in June so I'll tell you what they changed if you're interested.

I never actually flounced out of the discussion, though? I just said I was done having that particular discussion. You're the one who keeps bringing it up.

Anyway, please do? Though I'll probably be playing it myself sometime later this year.

Hahah you did literally say "I'm done" so stop trying to weasel out of it I'm not going to let you back down you said it arghlebargle--

Do you see how fucking annoying that is?

I mean I know what you actually meant because I can read words and also infer and also later read your other words reasonably explaining those words so I don't have to stick to that singular mistaken interpretation, but. Like. You said you were done, man. Literally. Done.

Blah blah internet argument bullshit aside I will. I know fuck all other people who like the Metro games aside from Herp and he didn't like 2033 which I thought was mechanically weaker but thematically/atmospherically superior to MLL. It was also genuinely scary as fuck, which MLL lacked for the most part. The first time I saw a Librarian I just about shit myself.

The library is just about one of the best parts of that game! I also very much enjoyed the MLL DLC featuring librarians.

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