[ SECRET POST #3431 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3431 ⌋

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[J.R.R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion]


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[Wil Wheaton]


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[Mughal-E-Azam]


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Comments

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

without even working for it?

lol

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

Why not "without even working for it"

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

Where in the world would resources come from if no one has to work for them? Why in the world should anyone support people who can but don't contribute to society and expect society to contribute to them? how in the world does this even make sense to you?

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

How many workers - how many man-hours - do you really think are necessary for the production of actual resources? How many jobs that we're doing right now are really necessary in a real sense?

I make my living, right now, working for a company that sells entertainment stuff between people. I help make apps for them that customers will like so that they'll like the company more so that they'll buy more stuff using our service so that, ultimately, our rate of return will be higher. So my contribution to society, if anything, is that I make it slightly more likely that someone buying entertainment stuff will buy it from our service and not from our competitors. And that's not really the reason that I do make a living: on a high level, I earn my keep because I slightly increase the return of anyone who's invested in our company.

It's one thing to say that society needs people to contribute to it, but my problem with that argument is that, if that's your justification, I don't think our current system is very good at meeting that standard either. Unless you really think that I'm making a profoundly meaningful contribution to society.

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[grausam]

good point

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

Do you think that vital resources are made by labour? No. Labour can extract and refine them. But there is no number of man-hours per se that can put another sun in the sky or more fresh water in the river. Most work is useless to resource management or even wasteful of resources.

So, really, since resources are scarce, we shouldn't use "work" as a determinant of who gets access to them, unless we restrict it to constructive work.

What I'm saying is some people do things that they shouldn't even be paid for; it might be better to pay them for doing nothing.

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

So how should people get access to scarce resources?

Everyone having access to scarce resources makes no sense and giving everyone the same amount of it would be unfair.

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I agree that distribution of resources is a very hard question for any economic system to solve. I strongly disagree with the idea that our present system is particularly good at solving it, or that it's especially sensible or fair.

Our present system basically distributes capital in proportion to possession of or usefulness to capital. It's not like there's some iron law written in the sky that makes the perspective of capital a logical and necessary one to organize an economy around. It's a useful choice in many ways, but it's also in many ways an arbitrary one. Like, on a basic level, why should ownership of capital entitle one to a much greater distribution of resources? That's the idea that our present system is founded on.

So it's true that there's a resource distribution problem in a UBI scenario. But that's very much not unique to UBI.

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

(ayrt)

I strongly disagree with the idea that our present system is particularly good at solving it, or that it's especially sensible or fair.

And I wholly agree. But there's "the current system doesn't work, let's think on something else that could" and "let's talk about other system that has no way to work as if it's what should do"

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

I couldn't even keep a straight face reading this. What... just what. so because we can't put another sun the sky (?) we really don't need people to bother making things like food, electricity, buildings, city infrastructure....

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

the way you explained this makes a lot of sense to me, thanks for the point