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[J.R.R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion]

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[Wil Wheaton]

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[Mughal-E-Azam]

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Because oddly enough, some people really like to work.

I don't have to technically do anything (disabled due to traumatic brain injury).

But to keep myself busy, I write fanfiction and translate anime from Japanese to English.

I can't do it fast enough to hold a paying job in either realm (example: pro translators are supposed to translate a 30 minute episode in under an hour. It takes me twelve hours. That is not an exaggeration). But people enjoy what I do despite the lack of speed.

Not everyone is an innate slacker.

Ohhh translating anime, truly proof that the world would be saved. Some people just like picking up shit for a living, studying super hard to become a doctor to watch people die all day, doing construction work in 120 degree weather, cleaning out toilets.

Sure, some people like what they do to the level of it being a hobby. More people probably like their jobs for work but that doesn't mean it's what they'd be doing if they could do something else.

Blue sky thinking here, but maybe people will pick their shit up and clean their toilets because they like having clean toilets and not having shit around.

The idea that wage labor and market capitalism are the only ways to ensure those functions get done is ludicrous.

And "doctor" is a spectacularly bad choice of position to use as an example - it's hard to think of a job that people are more internally motivated to do.

ok, this is ridiculous. I think you're way too cynical to look at this objectively at all.

It's more ridiculous to think it remotely makes sense to give everybody free money to live comfortably off of, and expect people to be able to sustain that lifestyle or maintaining quality of life on a societal level purely based on working they don't have to do.

That is so absurdly stupid I cannot believe some people are seriously arguing this.

Who in this thread is advocating "free money to live comfortably off of"? Basic income =/= luxuries. I can't believe this has to be explained over and over again.

They kind of have a point, though. If everyone received a living wage for doing nothing, do you really think anyone in the entire country would ever scrub out a public toilet ever again? Or work a soulless retail job with shitty customers being shitty to them all day long?

The fact that proponents aren't really seeming to take into account is that a huge, huge chunk of people hate their jobs. As in, would drop them immediately if there weren't pressing cash issues.

It really is a nice thought, but there's honestly no way that it would work and keep our economy even remotely afloat.

People would work if there was enough incentive for them to do so.
Extra money for luxuries or hobbies or holidays and/or something fulfilling to do with their life, for example.

A lot of people are in jobs they hate because it's that or not having money at all. If there was guaranteed income regardless of working, more people would have the opportunity to seek out jobs they find fulfilling rather than a job solely as a means to pay the bills.
Or just spend time with their families, in the case of peeps who currently have to work three jobs just to get by.

And I'm pretty sure that most of the jobs that'd be dropped immediately would be the ones people tend to take for granted (especially soulless retail jobs).
Less people doing those jobs (because they'd have a choice to do otherwise) would result in more people realising how important those jobs are, through a lack of it.
And that would hopefully increase their appreciation for the people doing those jobs, instead of taking their presence for granted and taking stuff out on them.

Agreed about retail. And it'd be an incentive for big service-industry employers to actually treat their employees well. Better for the company to be in need of its employees than vice-versa, because the company holds so much power as it is.

But the work you like involves doing something you enjoy.
If that was enough to keep everything running smoothly, the world would be a happier place but sadly most necessary jobs require doing stuff we don't enjoy.

NAYRT--yeah, but doing fun shit, at least, fun shit that requires money, under a UBI system wouldn't be possible unless people worked. Like, making sure that everyone has food, shelter, clothes, medical care, and basic necessities like soap and toilet paper doesn't mean they have money for anything fun at all. I'm not in this position, but I've known people who are, who are so scraped to the bone that just staying alive, clothed, housed, and fed is a fucking miracle.

I really don't get people who think no-one would work if they had the basics, and only the basics, covered. Yeah, I can entertain myself up to a point. But I would like to maintain at least my current standard of living under a UBI system, which would require extra money-- money for hobbies, pets, travel, food that's not boring shelf-stable slop, clothes that aren't cheap and badly made, a house instead of a one room studio. I would totally scrub toilets or greasy pans (or insert other "gross" job, provided I could physically do it without fucking up) if it meant not living a life that provided enough to keep body and soul together but only my body healthy.

A UBI system wouldn't provide enough money for nights out, for theatre, for sporting events, just enough to keep everyone out of dire poverty that sees some people in my country (the USA) get by on two dollars a day. Little babies get taken to emergency rooms because they're going hungry, kids on free school lunch are sent home in some districts with backpacks of cheap food on weekends because otherwise they don't eat until Monday. Cities and counties are finding out it's way cheaper to house the homeless and provide them basic care than let them stay on the street and get sick and end up in the ER all the time.

All the "moral guardians" flipping out that people are intrinsically lazy and wouldn't work if they didn't have to creep me out. A UBI system isn't "everyone gets a nice house and a fast car," it's "everyone gets just enough to not have to scramble every minute of every day not to fucking die of dire poverty." I have a fairly good life with some disposable income, and I'd love it if everyone had at least what I have.

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