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⌈ Secret Post #3435 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I want people to shut up about representation and to stop projecting their own emotional and mental problems on the characters. Yes, you are autistic/depressed/trans/who gives a shit, but that character is not and they don't need to be, so quit pestering the writers.

And this isn't even limited to one singular fandom.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't even say that people should shut up about representation. Representation is important. But I think it would be good if there were more recognition that it's a systemic issue, not an issue with any one specific work.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[morieris]

+1

Unless someone is being vicious about their headcanon, how does imagining someone as trans hurt AYRT?

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT. I'm not talking about people who just write fics or talk about their headcanons, I mean people who insist that the characters should represent them and their way of thinking in canon.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I agree so much. If they want representation, they should create the characters they want to see. Or they should support works with those characters rather than forcing headcanons on existing characters.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

In fairness, if we're talking about, you know, mainstream media, the barriers to entry are fairly high, and the existing representation is not a lot.

I'm not denying there are opportunities to do those things. I'm just saying that those things are not panaceas.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

My pet peeve in this category is insistently calling every female character a lesbian if in canon she could be or is bisexual. If she's liked both men and women in canon, the men were "compulsory heterosexuality" and don't count. If she's liked one woman and nobody else of either gender at all, that still leaves no room for bisexual headcanons because lesbians are more important and if you don't think she's a canon lesbian then why do you hate lesbians, lesbophobe?

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[sarillia]

I'm annoyed by people on both sides of this. The ones who insist that a character must be a lesbian and the ones who insist that she must be bisexual. The arguments against one or the other usually completely ignore the realities of lesbians and bisexual women (there are plenty of lesbians who have dated men and bisexuals who haven't; why is this so hard to accept?) But at least it's better than when they're doing it with real historical people, I guess.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[chardmonster]

bisexual headcanons because lesbians are more important and if you don't think she's a canon lesbian then why do you hate lesbians, lesbophobe?

As a bisexual I think a lot of the political bis on tumblr have gotten really fucking annoying with this. You're acting as if lesbians are a privileged group. They're not, and frankly they have less representation in most shows. When they are there, they aren't main characters. You aren't going to have an expressly lesbian Clarke on a mainstream show like The 100.

Compulsory hetrosexuality really is a thing. "Gold star" is a shitty concept but it exists for a reason. The vast majority aren't. Please realize that when they're talking about this as a thing, they're frequently talking about themselves.

Aside: frankly I'm tired of bisexual women showing up on lesbian-dominated spaces and yelling at them for using the word "lesbian" as an adjective for a couple with two women in it, or complaining that their talk about their boyfriends is less than welcome. We can do that absolutely anywhere else. It's like showing up at the football forum to talk about the Stanley Cup and wondering why everyone's getting annoyed. There's such a thing as being so intentionally inclusive that you no longer have a focus anymore. People don't have to be constantly addressing you to respect you. You might just not be their prime audience. Let them do their thing.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

bless

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Either we go to very different places or you're acting like exceptions are the norm. All the bi women I see in fandom are far more chill about things than lesbians. I find no insisting from "political bisexuals" that a character needs to be bi instead of lesbian, only the other way around -- constantly. And lmao where are you getting from what I said that lesbians are privileged? The only problem is that lesbians think they're the only ones who aren't privileged. They think bi women are as privileged as straight women. There are also apologetic bi women and men who suck up to the gay part of fandom by agreeing with them about that, as if that will give them some leverage with fandom-privilege in the oppression olympics. Are you one of them? You sound like it.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[chardmonster]

Are you one of them? You sound like it.

Hell no. But if you're implying I must be a suck-up because I disagree with you... you sound exactly like one of the political bis. I'm talking about people who think "monosexuals" are privileged and that any post about lesbians must include a big disclaimer about also pretaining to other orientations plus transwomen or else it's Erasure and needs to be yelled at.

We must go to different spaces, then.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Relatedly, it weirdly annoys me when Hannibal fandom refers to Margot and Alana as 'the lesbians' when Alana is bisexual. She had relationships with men, and Fuller said she was bi. I realize 'the bisexual and the lesbian' or 'the queers' doesn't exactly sound the same, but 'the lesbians' in reference to them just annoys me. *shrug*

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[dancingmouse]

I'm cool with thinking, or even mentioning and discussing headcanons. Some of them could be pretty interesting if people are willing to sit down and have a civilized discussion.

I agree that some fans need to STFU all ready about their Headcanon, and that what THEY view as "Autistic, like me!", someone else sees as just being socially awkward. Both are equally valid. There's no need to start a war over it.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I'd rather buy new work with LGBTQ characters than see people shoehorn it into an existing show.

Re: Controversial (fandom) Opinions

[lb_lee]

Honestly, this is why I had to leave an artist I really liked. They pretty much disavowed their original work and devoted themselves ENTIRELY to queerbending and transbending characters from existing movies and such.

And I was like, "...but I want to read stories about REAL trans people, not queer utopian nonbinary Steve and Bucky! :("