[ SECRET POST #3442 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3442 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

3rd wave feminist theory made it to tumblr. Tumblr echo chambered into the absurd, as tumblr does.

Dworkin may be dead, but the nonsense lives on.

[(Anonymous)]

OK, so we agree that it's not recent feminism.

The next question is, how representative is it of contemporary feminism

[(Anonymous)]

Given it's taught in universities everywhere, pretty damn prevalent. As you no doubt know.

[(Anonymous)]

"Being taught in universities" is not a good standard when we're asking whether it's representative of what contemporary feminists think.

I took a lot of classes about fascism in the 1930s in university and... well, bad example, as it turns out, but you see my point, right? Just because someone reads Dworkin at university doesn't mean that it's, like, wholeheartedly adopted, let alone representative.

[(Anonymous)]

It's being taught in universities AND in the media. I didn't take a single gender studies course in college, and yet I noticed how it's taken over universities and the most random courses. And at the same time, you've got Salon, Gawker, Buzzfeed all echoing similar shit.

How much does it represent contemporary feminism? Well, it's popular enough that only 18% of women identify as feminists in the United States. Are you going to claim that 82% of women don't believe in gender equality, or admit that feminism has changed?

[(Anonymous)]

Can you please link to some Gawker, Salon, and Buzzfeed articles about how all PIV sex is rape?

[diet_poison]

MTE - the only one I'm really familiar with is Buzzfeed but seriously?? Buzzfeed =/= radfems

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, they're not willing to go as far as saying PIV sex is rape. Their audience is too large to quite get away with that. I was speaking more generally about third-wave feminism. But they do promote the shit out of things like ShirtGate. Because a man who sent a rocket to an asteroid happened to wear a shirt with sexy women on it ... that a woman made for him ... we have to lose our minds because SEXISM somehow.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, so now you're pivoting entirely from the original claim (about how recent feminism is sex-negative and claims that all PIV sex is rape) to some arguments on the internet that you're angry about?

[(Anonymous)]

No. I'm pivoting from a specific claim of sex-negativity to a more general one, speaking in more general terms. I bet you find PIV sex = rape in universities, but you get more generalized sex negativity in media, unless you're looking at something like Jezebel.

Sexy women on a man's t-shirt is oppressive and bad, because ... sexy women are bad? Or just when a man is involved? Who knows. I see a lot of stuff from feminists that say women are oppressed because sexy women exist in media. I would call that sex-negative.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally I find modern feminism to be completely contradictory. I don't think even THEY know they're aiming for at this point, it's all just screaming and yelling. Slut walks = empowerment. Sexy woman poses sexily anywhere else = oppression. Also, slut walks where you walk naked or nearly so = empowerment, but a man looking at a naked or nearly so woman = oppression.

And let's not forget how oppressive air conditioning settings are.

[diet_poison]

like if you can't tell the difference between looking and ogling I don't even know what to tell you.

The whole point is for female sexuality to be in female hands and to exist for more than the male gaze.

[(Anonymous)]

Backpedal faster.

And we have the classic - a woman said/did/agreed with it, can't be sexist!

[diet_poison]

So when you say Buzzfeed is echoing "similar shit" to "PIV sex = rape", you mean they are...talking about ShirtGate?

Seriously?

How...that is such a huge leap, anon

[(Anonymous)]

lmao you are making amazing logical leaps here

[(Anonymous)]

"Taken over"? Lol. Also the rest of your 'argument'? Your MRA roots are showing. I bet I know several times more feminists than you do. Never,repeat never, come across Dworkin type views.

[diet_poison]

I always scratch my head when people say things like "THIS IS WHAT FEMINISTS BELIEVE/THIS IS TAKING OVER FEMINISM" and I'm like "which feminists? where?"

[diet_poison]

It's not.