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Re: MRA Thread

[(Anonymous)]

The problem (or, at least, one of the problems) with trying to take account of differences between men and women on a population level is that it's really hard to drill down and properly account for what's the result of socialization, structural forces, etc. It's very much overdetermined and so it's really hard to identify things that are for sure differences just on account of gender.

Re: MRA Thread

[kallanda_lee]

This is true - however, I also believe we are not separate from our socialization or our culture. I mean, you can change how future generations might be socialized, sure, but you're not going to undo it for already existing people.

Re: MRA Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that most people who want to draw population-level conclusions about gender (or race, or whatever) are nearly as careful as that about making the distinction you're making here. So that's one way it gets tricky.

And then the other thing is, how useful is it to draw that kind of conclusion, if it doesn't apply to the individual level and it only applies to specific cultural groupings and generations? What kind of operational conclusions are you going to draw out of htat?

Re: MRA Thread

[kallanda_lee]

I'm not saying it's useful per se...more like, when people make certain assumptions, they're not necessarily wrong or being assholes(and probably just operate on experience, like say:"8 out of 10 women I met did not like soccer, so chances are you won't either" or something like that).

Re: MRA Thread

[(Anonymous)]

But you said it shouldn't affect how you treat individuals

How is that not letting it affect how you treat individuals

Re: MRA Thread

[kallanda_lee]

Well, that would depend on what you do with your assumptions?

Obviously, if you'd want to stop women from going to soccer games, you'd be an asshole.

But honestly we choose the kinds of conversations we start or don't start of a lot of criteria - ad yeah, gender can be one of them.

Re: MRA Thread

[sarillia]

I don't know that relying on experience like that is something that should be encouraged. People have a habit of not noticing or forgetting about things that don't conform to their assumptions so that sort of experience isn't very reliable.

Re: MRA Thread

[kallanda_lee]

I'm not saying it should be encouraged per se - just that it's, understandable?

I think we make assumptions about people all the time. And out brains tr to find patterns.

Does this look like a person I'm safe around? Is this a person who could possibly share my interests with? Does this look like a person that goes to my school? Does this person look like a potential romantic partner? etc.

And yeah, for some questions gender is going to play a role, based on experiences and preferences.

Re: MRA Thread

[sarillia]

It is understandable. Like you said, it's how our brains work. But then some thoughts like that are more understandable to me than others. Your "most girls I know don't like soccer" example feels weird to me. It just wouldn't occur to me to look at that. I don't think it's necessarily the gender thing that's throwing me off though. I don't know what it is. I just know that got a head tilt from me.

It could just be that those kinds of assumptions are something I actively try to avoid, and not like as a self-righteous stand against an oppressive society. I've been on the wrong side of it before, with people not bothering to invite me to something because they just assumed I wouldn't be interested, or that sort of thing. It's annoying.