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⌈ Secret Post #3453 ⌋

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03. [SPOILERS for SnK]

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04. [SPOILERS for Shadowhunters]

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05. [SPOILERS for Attack On Titan/Shingeki no Kyojin]

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06. [WARNING for RL family death]

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07. [WARNING for abuse]

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08. [WARNING for RL underage sex]

[Lori Maddox, Sable Starr]

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09. [WARNING for child sexual abuse]

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10. [WARNING for incest]

[Wynonna Earp]

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08. [WARNING for RL underage sex]
http://i.imgur.com/DtM5Ypi.jpg
[Lori Maddox, Sable Starr]

Errrrr...what? What's this in reference to, and who are these people?

Very young teen age groupies. Lori Maddox (the dark haired one) claimed to have lost her virginity to David Bowie. And to have been kidnapped by Jimmy Page.

Lori and Sable aren't even that good-looking.

i wish i could reconcile how much I like Bowie and his music with how gross it is that he statutory raped a girl.
I just ugh. i don't know man. i don't know.

At least that was consensual, and she was okay with it.

Jimmy Page, on the other hand, kidnapped her, and I still find him pretty gross for that.

It was pretty gross, but Lori was also okay with the kidnapping and she frames it as the great romance of her life.

How are the two hard to reconcile? There's nothing that makes it impossible for someone to both commit statutory rape, and to create amazing music and have very appealing and positive other aspects to his personality. In fact, a lot of statutory rapists are incredibly charming and appealing, and it's not always just a fake mask covering up a nasty real personality - that's part of the reason why underage teenagers want to bang them so much.

People can be complex and multi-faceted, and that complexity extends to people who have done horrible things too, not just people on the good side of the spectrum. It's a dangerous mistake to believe all rapists are nothing but degenerates who are just pretending to be good guys to lure in strangers. That's the kind of thinking that causes people to go "No way, X could NEVER be a rapist! I KNOW him! He's not that kind of person!"

i think there's a line between, say, having offensive opinions or something, and assaulting a teenager.

ayrt

Um, when in my comment did I say having offensive opinions was in any way equivalent to assaulting a teenager? Or mention offensive opinions at all?

Well, I think that was also at the beginning of the period when he was high out of his mind most of the time.

Wasn't it also said that he didn't know she was underage? If I'm in a bar I'm going to assume everyone there is of age.

She allegedly also had a fake ID, so there was no way he could have known.

That is a bad idea.

I know they have a lot of heavy makeup on in the picture, but they still look like young teens.

Like, I get not knowing someone is underage even though they're at a bar, but both of them looked really young.

"Young teens"
No. No they really don't. Older teens maybe. Young teens? Absolutely not.

Yeah, no, they look like they are at least 17 or 18 years old in that picture.

That is not young teen.

I honestly find the whole groupie culture of that time really fascinating, and...yeah, I'm a little jealous too. I mean, the whole then in retrospect is insanely skeevy and definitely wouldn't be even remotely possible or the same today but it's, really neat to look back on.

(actually does anyone have any recs for documentaries or anything similar on it?)

This is what you're looking for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnViqstGsYs

It's a documentary Pamela Des Barres (a former groupie herself) did for VH1 where she interviews a lot of other former groupies (including Lori Maddox. It's a bit surreal, but they reminisce a lot about those days and by and large all the women involved remember them fondly. Including Maddox.

I haven't read it, but Pamela Des Barres has written several memoirs on her groupie days as well.

Tura Satana is awesome.

I saw a post the other day saying the culture in which having sex with your underage groupies was acceptable is the same culture in which Piers Anthony was acceptable. I feel like that explains a lot.

I don't understand what you mean. :/

If you mean the Piers Anthony thing, some of the stuff he wrote was pretty skeevy in hindsight.
Parents encouraged me to try Xanth as a kid, so I grew up reading those plus a couple of his other series. (Stopped a few years back though.)

Notable example (sorry if I get some details wrong, it's been a while since I've read it):
In a later book in his Incarnations of Immortality series, the female main character who iirc was 15 at the time is shown having sex with a guy (I can't remember if it was consensual or not), and she compares it to having an elbow shoved in there.
First sex scene I ever read, too :/

The love springs in Xanth books weren't much better, anyone who drank from one of them immediately ended up wanting to "summon the stork" (literal but also basically meaning sex) with the next creature of opposite sex they saw (regardless of species). Unless you were already in (romantic) love with them, because apparently lust and love are the same thing :/
For example, three human visitors to Xanth (all male) and the horses they rode in on (all female), credited as the reason centaurs exist.

Also, I feel like this title speaks for itself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Color_of_Her_Panties

Thank you. I googled him, but I didn't find anything on his first google page.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-06-18 19:48 (UTC) - Expand

I was thinking most directly of this: http://hradzka.livejournal.com/392471.html

(Anonymous) - 2016-06-18 19:56 (UTC) - Expand