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[ SECRET POST #3466 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3466 ⌋

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[BRÅVES- "Lovely Bones" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiTx4qufF2g)]

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[The Doctor Blake Mysteries]

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[fault milestone one]

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09. http://i.imgur.com/XFAoKt9.png
[linked for porn, animated]

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You make the claim, you show the proof, or you're full of shit

DA

I don't always save links myself, and it can be hard to refind that kind of material. I could believe it (more and more news sites are saying 'comment sections are unnecessary' or 'require' over-moderation and the shit in r/news happened recently) ... I could also not believe it (conspiracy theories always abound on the internet).

AYRT

The thing is: Even if I went out of my way to supply people here with tons of links, the reply would be a general "oh but those people are just lying, they never got their comments deleted, this is fake" - it's happened before a lot, and quite frankly, I'm tired of this kind of behaviour. This kind of "I only believe the subjective sources I supply, not yours" is pretty grating after a while. So I won't even bother anymore.

Then why did you even bother making the comment

Why did you bother to comment on this if your opinion is already made up before demanding proof?

You have no idea if ARYT's opinion is made up or not.

You just have no proof.

Posted some of the several sources that discussed this topic below, but I'm pretty sure you people will dismiss it as biased.

Okay, I have to ask: Why are you asking like such a dipshit about being asked for sources? Of course no one is going to believe you if you make a wild claim without evidence. That's being logical, not biased.

And yet you here you are with the ~you people~ and the ~you'll just dismiss it anyway~ and the ~no? didn't think so~ without even giving the commenter you responded to a chance to respond herself.

In debate terms, this is called poisoning the well: i.e., you've "predicted" how your opponents are going to respond, meaning that if they do respond that way - whether your sources actually are biased or not - you can simply say "hah! I told you so! You were going to dismiss me no matter what I posted!" leaving them only the option to agree with you if they don't want that outcome.

You'd fail a debate automatically at this point with a simple nod to the judges, so...

Why are you being such a dipshit yourself? I didn't see you bitching at the other anon for not providing evidence that the comments DIDN'T get deleted, that's exactly the same thing.

And it's hilarious, the way you blow yourself up to be some sort of debate masters. Hint: This here? Isn't a debate. It's a fandomsecrets thread which started out with a simple "the comments are getting deleted" -"No they didn't" - "yes they did".

And the reason why I'm such a "dipshit" about this (petty namecalling, btw, invalidates your arguments in a debate as well, you master-debater)? Because I've had this happen to me over and over again, that people who demand "proof" and "sources" are moving the goalpost every single time you give them what they asked for. And I'm pretty pissed about this.

If simply pointing out how logical people argue is trying to be a "master debater" in your eyes, well, that's...

But more importantly:

Why are you being such a dipshit yourself? I didn't see you bitching at the other anon for not providing evidence that the comments DIDN'T get deleted, that's exactly the same thing.

No, no it isn't. The burden of proof is always on the person making the positive assertion (i.e. something does exist, something did happen, as opposed to it doesn't, or didn't). If you don't like that, don't make unsubstantiated claims. At the very least, don't be offended when someone asks you to substantiate them. What you're doing is asking the other commenters to prove a negative, which is a logical fallacy - of course I wouldn't get on their cases for that. That's your bad, not theirs.

You're right, "dipshit" is a personal attack. I should have chosen: hostile, overly defensive, illogical, reactionary, or unable to express or defend your position well, as these are evidenced by your own statements.

As soon as you brought up "You'd fail a debate automatically at this point with a simple nod to the judges" you made this into such a big deal when it isn't. So sure, you are ~simply pointing it out" without the slightest trace of condescension. You are clearly so superior.

Sure, do ignore the posted sources because you want to whine about how ~you can't say anything about them anymore~. That's alright. But this here? This is a clear case of "some people say they got their comments deleted" and someone else piping in saying something like 'no, they are lying'. So the person accusing people of lying about this has to prove that this is true just as much.

Ah yes, anyone who doesn't want to make a fandomsecrets thread into some award winning debate show is automatically illogical, unable to express their position and overly defensive. Gotcha.
And now excuse me, I have other things to do than playing ~debate~ with someone on fandomsecrets.

I didn't say anything about the sources because a) it's like 20 pages long and I'm still reading it, and b) yes, you've absolutely poisoned the well to the point where if I do come to the conclusion that they're inaccurate or biased, there's basically no point in saying so, because you've already decided that's what everyone is going to say.

So the person accusing people of lying about this has to prove that this is true just as much.

Sure, you can make that argument now, but before you posted sources, you couldn't, as you had no form of positive evidence.

Ah yes, anyone who doesn't want to make a fandomsecrets thread into some award winning debate show is automatically illogical, unable to express their position and overly defensive.

Well, no, that's just what you've demonstrated with the way you're attempting to persuade people of your point of view. Doubling down with hyperbole and defensive sarcasm isn't helping.

"not providing evidence that the comments DIDN'T get deleted, that's exactly the same thing"

Actually, no it's not. You can't prove a negative. When an action (especially an unlikely one) is claimed, you must prove that it happened, or the most logical path to take is to assume it probably didn't. (ETA: ariakas explained this much better than I. should have read her other comments first, oops)

Also, to be really nitpicky, saying you're acting like a dipshit is commenting on your behavior, not calling you names. An ad hom attack is something more along the lines of "but you're just a moron" while not addressing any of the actual points.

Edited 2016-07-01 20:18 (UTC)

I've really only seen actual biased sources shot down. If you use shitty sources that is what is going to happen, and you didn't have much of a leg to stand on in the first place.

But regardless, no matter how annoying it is, you are still never going to get your point across if you make it with zero proof and it's a bit obnoxious to act self-righteous about it and then get mad when other people disagree with you while you don't even attempt to provide proof because it looks like you're talking out of your ass.

Lol good for you - the thing is: Can you tell me a source in this whole mess that wouldn't be counted as biased by any of the groups in question? No? Didn't think so.
But since you wanted sources so badly:

https://youtu.be/NP0HI8p0Lz8

http://geekoutlaw.com/arent-sexist-hating-ghostbusters-reboot-awful-trailer-proof/

I personally don't care very much about this particular argument. I just get really tired of people making claims, especially conspiracy theory-esque ones*, and then when asked for proof saying "look it up yourself!". I guess it's my internet pet peeve, like some peoples' jumping on everyone who they think needs to learn Google.

*not saying it's not true, but claiming that YT channels are selectively deleting comments to try to create the impression of a culture that isn't there is definitely the sort of claim that requires proof

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