[ SECRET POST #3467 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3467 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Epic Rap Battles of History, Ben Atha, Ivan Campo]


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03. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]




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04. [SPOILERS for Orange is the New Black season 4]



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05. [WARNING for abuse]



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06. [WARNING for discussion of abortion]



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07. [WARNING for incest]

















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Comments

The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

So I think we've all heard the you-know-who's crying about how the Duluth Model is sexist against men, but has anyone ever heard any of them, or hell, anyone ever propose an alternative?

What do these people believe to be the alternative system? Does it have a name? How do they envision it working?

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you should ask them rather than whine about them like a coward?

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

I think for safety reasons you should not encourage anyone to engage these people.

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, coward speak for "I can't be arsed, let's pretend they'll act like radfems."

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

Do you really think that's a risk?

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

Do you really think that's a risk?

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

It's Friday before a long weekend. I'm going to ignore this thread and I suggest that you all do likewise.

Re: The Duluth Model

[herpymcderp]

I was already ignoring it until I read this comment and thought "this anon has the right attitude".

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

Who's the Duluth Model and what did she about men?

Re: The Duluth Model

[kaijinscendre]

The alternative is for officers to use their brain and examine who the aggressor is in each situation.

Also, it is pretty damn sexist. Both men and women can be abusive and a lot of abuse is mutual. There is no reason to automatically assume the man in the relationship is the aggressor. It also ignores gay and lesbian couples.

Re: The Duluth Model

[ill_omened]

Duluth model has significant in failings in covering the true breath of domestic violence and abuse (inter familial, same sex relationships, female on male coercion and violence), as well as obviously presupposing male > female violence within the context of mainstream communities. Not great at anything outside that, and to an extent can actively hamper some of it.

MARAC and DASH are far more effective models.

t. Work in DV.

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care.

I don't care about the duluth model. I don't care about custody battles. I don't care about men's mental health, or men's suicide rates. I don't care about the draft. I don't care about male imprisonment rates. I don't care about prison rape. I don't care about 'false' accusations against men.

I never ever will.

Go away.

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

How do you feel about boys being failed by the gynocentric education system?

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

That's actually a myth. Boys are not failed by the school system, they are failed by their masculinity.

The school system has gradually changed to be more focused on progressive forms of learning to give girls a chance at academic development, but boys develop ideas of masculinity very early on, and these ideas become ingrained so they are unwilling to abandon masculinity to focus on a more positive form of development. Boys hate the idea of becoming "feminized" by being "nerds" or "faggots" or anything else that masculinity conflates with success in the current academic system.

TL;DR The school system has gotten better to encourage girls, but men and boys refuse to adapt.

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care about women who are raped in prison. Criminals deserve it. :)

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

0/10

Subtlety, subtlety, subtlety!

Re: The Duluth Model

[ibbity]

Don't have kids.

Re: The Duluth Model

[blitzwing]

What do these people believe to be the alternative system?

Base intervention on the knowledge we have of abusers' and victims psychology, not on political bullcrap. Easy peasy.

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

Those who use violence to exert control do so even in the absence of a patriarchal upbringing, and can be men or women.

I was raised by women, I was not raised to be violent, but I think I ended up becoming violent on my own. I had bad coping skills.

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

Those who use violence to exert control do so even in the absence of a patriarchal upbringing

You were not raised outs side of the patriarchy. those women who raised you sill exist as part of the male dominated system. Your violence is still a direct result of being raised in a society that values violence.

Re: The Duluth Model

[blitzwing]

Abusers aren't abusers because of the patriarchy, or because "society values violence". They're abusers because there's something wrong with them psychologically. They're sick, selfish people that can't have any real respect for other's well-being or bodily autonomy, regardless of their gender or other people's.

Re: The Duluth Model

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, there is far more evidence to suggest violence and abuse comes from masculinity than from any other psychological disorder..

Re: The Duluth Model

[blitzwing]

By "more" you mean "none" huh? Google "why do abusers abuse" and almost all of the results will list one or all of 3 reasons:

1) cycle of abuse/intergenerational abuse (learned abuse behavior)
2) psychopathology (mental/behavior disorders)
3) lack of empathy (which really ties into #2 but people mention it separately).

Meanwhile, there are many studies that back up the pyschopathology theory. Here's one: Personality correlates of men who abuse their partners: A cross-validation study.

"Further, as with the initial study, only about 12% of the subjects in the present effort showed no discernable psychopathology. "

If you'd like to link to some peer-reviewed, reproducible evidence showing that the majority of abusers abuse because of masculinity rather than psychological disorder, feel free. But you probably can't, because "the patriarchy causes it!!!" is of the "And then God created the great creatures of the sea" evidence type.