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[ SECRET POST #3467 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3467 ⌋

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[Epic Rap Battles of History, Ben Atha, Ivan Campo]

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04. [SPOILERS for Orange is the New Black season 4]

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05. [WARNING for abuse]

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06. [WARNING for discussion of abortion]

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07. [WARNING for incest]

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Better a "child" murderer than a woman murderer. Unless you like paying taxes to treat women dying of sepsis after sticking coathangers up their cunts.

Anyway, I'm hoping you're just misguidedly playing Devil's Advocate and you don't actually believe abortion is murder or a fetus is the same thing as a child. You appear to be female, and statistically, you have a one in three chance of having an abortion, for whatever reason, in your lifetime. You will feel way less guilty about it if you approach this very common medical procedure rationally.

Also, as a citizen of a state—any state—your taxes have already literally paid for murder. Your state engages in less of it than most, but you've almost certainly had some of your hard-earned money go to bombing little children in Afghanistan, and unlike a fetus, they had lives and memories and the full knowledge of what was about to happen to them as they died screaming beneath bombs that you helped pay for. Sleep well! :)

Stop stalking me. And take me off your flist.

I most certainly won't engage with you on your - or mine - personal journals.

There is no scientific difference between a fetus and newborn infant except for location. Birth is a change of location. That's all.

There is no good argument for why a fetus is not a child; no argument that holds weight.

Didn't mean to add you, and that's why I immediately un-added you. I was clicking on your profile to see where you were from (so that I could list the various atrocities that your taxes already pay for, not because I am interested in you as a person) and clicked the wrong thing.

There is plenty of difference, and that's why I assume you're not upset about, say, fertility clinics, which also dispose of plenty of unwanted blastocysts.

Regardless, I hope we can both agree that a woman is a person. And women will get abortions regardless of how you personally feel about it. Women have always gotten abortions. If abortion is illegal or prohibitively expensive, we will get unsafe abortions. This has historically killed many, many women—again, people with lives and memories and full consciousness of what is happening to them, in pain, screaming.

If you are against universally funded, safe, legal abortion, you are de facto in favour of women dying because of unsafe abortions. That, to me, is a far greater crime.

One day, you may find yourself in a position you do not expect to be in right now. You may find yourself with a wanted pregnancy that is not compatible with life. You may find your life at risk because of a pregnancy, and have to choose between your life and a fetus's. You may run into financial difficulties, or suffer from depression, or God forbid be the victim of rape, or any number of circumstances that you cannot possibly imagine now. You may have existing children whose needs you may need to consider as you evaluate whether or not to abort a pregnancy.

You may find your current moral position untenable. Statistically, as I said, there is a one in three chance that this will happen to you.

And then you will be grateful that cooler heads were governed by reason and logic and not emotion when they set up a universal healthcare system that will save your life or sanity.

Thank you.

IVF is *exactly* the same thing as abortion, unless steps are taken to adopt out all excess embryos. IVF should not be paid for by the tax payers.

In the rare case that an abortion is the only way to save the mother's life, it should be paid for by the tax payers. If it's not to save one of the two lives; no, we should not be forced to pay for it.

What do you think about the assertion that the Hyde Amendment in America has prevented 1 000 000 abortions? Do you believe it, and if so, is that not evidence that not subsidising abortions do prevent abortions?

A society that seriously wants to combat abortion can take great steps to make giving birth a more appealing option. I will gladly pay for that.

In the rare case that an abortion is the only way to save the mother's life, it should be paid for by the tax payers. If it's not to save one of the two lives; no, we should not be forced to pay for it.

Ah, then in this case, you don't really believe that a fetus is the same as a child. Otherwise, you're just choosing which life to save and which to murder. Why should we save the mother and not the fetus in this very rare circumstance? If a life is a life, what does it matter which one lives and which one dies? The doctor should probably flip a coin, right?

Or perhaps you understand at a certain level, even if you're not yet conscious of it, that there's a slight difference. Maybe not even so slight.

What do you think about the assertion that the Hyde Amendment in America has prevented 1 000 000 abortions? Do you believe it, and if so, is that not evidence that not subsidising abortions do prevent abortions?

I'm not American, and very grateful for it, as the American medical system would have long ago killed me for other reasons.

I doubt it's prevented that many. It's hard to tell the rate of illegal activity, but it's certainly increased the number of women trying to self-abort. It's almost certainly murdered lots of poor women. It's also likely condemned more children to a poverty cycle—medical debt is a critical issue in the US, and most women who abort pregnancies already have children to support.

So what do I think of it? It's cruel, it's sickening, and it's hypocritical given that most Americans don't seem to mind their tax dollars going to drone-bomb babies in foreign countries.

A society that seriously wants to combat abortion can take great steps to make giving birth a more appealing option. I will gladly pay for that.

Fine, great. I'm all for better maternal supports. My taxes go to that too, and it's awesome. However, I am cursed with a fully functioning uterus and never want to be pregnant, and I would literally cut a fetus out myself with a chainsaw before I'd give birth if need be. I take every measure to make certain that never happens, but just in case, I am grateful that my government is a sensible one.

No, the medical condition determines who can be saved.

I am very sorry that you would feel that level of hatred towards your fetus, that you would not want to protect and nourish it.

I hope you're successful in your efforts and a fetus never ends up with you as its caretaker, and vice versa, you with the burden of it.

idk why you keep dodging their point about many women resorting to dangerous, often fatal back alley abortions in the absence of being able to procure a safe one, especially since it relates pretty strongly to your point about the hyde amendment

Nothing is forcing these women to resort to maternally unsafe abortions.
They willingly decide to take the risk.

"People will do it anyway" is not a very good reason to make something legal.

Any civilized society should instead make every possible effort to reduce the demand for abortion.

"Nothing is forcing these women to resort to maternally unsafe abortions.
They willingly decide to take the risk."

You sweet summer child.

wow

Please never have children, I'm afraid they'd catch the misogyny.

At least my children would grow up knowing they were safe in my womb. 😊

If all things being equal, you could save one, would you choose the mother or the fetus? If you still say the mother, you are beginning to understand. If you would flip a coin, I at least admire your consistency.

I have no hatred towards a fetus, mine or anyone else's. I have no feelings about random, hypothetical fetuses whatsoever. I do not wish to be pregnant.

I hope that your opinion of these matters develops as you get older and gain perspective and empathy for uterus-bearing people in varying degrees of difficult position. I hope, even more deeply, that this perspective does not come at the cost of you or any of your loved ones finding themselves in said difficult position.

There are tons of arguments why a fetus is not a child, and scientific evidence, too. Especially at the stage of development when an abortion is still legal, there is no "child", there's just a lump of cells.

Stop stalking me. And take me off your flist.

Stalking is a real, serious thing that people have to deal with, and that some people die as a result of. It is not "*I* started a conversation with someone on the internet, and they responded to me."

I don't know if you think you're being funny, but you're really just coming across as reprehensible. "I don't like someone's opinion" is not ground to say someone's a stalker/bully/sexual harasser.

this. people are awfully quick to toss the word "stalker" around these days and someone adding you to their flist of all things is nowhere close to it

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