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⌈ Secret Post #3476 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Eh, a little bit, but it's not a huge deal at this point.

[(Anonymous)]

That would be not at all, in fact.

[(Anonymous)]

as in, it would be no problem at all and anyone who says otherwise is lying. Anyone can like an Irish or Irish ancestry band.

[cloudtrader]

So, we're not allowed to enjoy something that is not directly from our culture? Really?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, that's a might big conclusion to leap to, from what I said. I mean wow.

I don't think culture appropriation means you can't like a thing, it's a dimension of things to be aware of. And I think the music being Irish has less to do with it, with Flogging Molly, than the sort of performative Irishness going on there, but I also said that it's not a big deal anymore, because it's not like that idea hasn't already been fucked to shit, and who cares anyway it's just in fun.

So, A, even if it was cultural appropriation that doesn't mean you can't like it. B, if it was cultural appropriation it would have less to do with the music and more to do with the image. And C, it's not really cultural appropriation.

[diet_poison]

If it's not really cultural appropriation, why did you say it was?

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if I think it's on the right track but not quite valid, and everyone else thinks that it's completely laughable, I think that's a relevant contribution.

[diet_poison]

Can you explain a bit more what you mean?

[(Anonymous)]

Probably not coherently.

I think what I'm saying is that everyone ITT seems to think that cultural appropriation is a pretty useless idea that could never be applicable to something like Flogging Molly. And I think cultural appropriation kind of is a thing - not as a binary YOU CANNOT LIKE ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF YOUR CULTURE, but the dynamics of cultural identity are something you generally ought to be aware of, and that things like cultural fetishization and performativity are real and valid to think about. And those things are actually kind of present here - in Flogging Molly as a band, and in liking Flogging Molly sometimes. So that's what I mean when I say it's kind of real.

But, you know, at the end of the day the specific identity in question is tenuous enough, and this kind of thing is widespread enough, and it's not linked to real power dynamics in society as a whole since the Irish aren't disadvantaged, and it's mostly a bit of fun, so it's not worth making a big fuss about it or treating "seriously" as a case of cultural appropriation.

[(Anonymous)]

The Irish aren't disadvantaged? Are we talking about US-based Irish heritage, or the island west of Great Britain? Because it makes a difference.

[(Anonymous)]

In that specific context, I was talking about Irish-Americans, because that's most directly relevant to what's going on.

[(Anonymous)]

As a citizen of the latter, there is no disadvantage whatsoever except in the perception of a tiny, tiny minority of political fanatics who enjoy violence more than that the democratic will of the overwhelming majority of the population of the Island of Ireland as per the Good Friday agreement.

Irish-Americans may perceive themselves as they like, though it's nice that they've mostly stopped giving money to terrorists whose bombs they'll never encounter personally.

[(Anonymous)]

I assumed that AYRT had in mind the complexities arising with regards to the Good Friday Agreement as a result of Brexit.

[(Anonymous)]

Which has some political and economic ramifications that requires some solving, but which has absolutely nothing to do with disadvantaging Irish people as a social or ethnic group in the sense that we will experience prejudice. I expect we will remain the UK's model migrants. Whilst Brexit is a clusterfuck, it hasn't come about specifically to piss off the Irish or undermine the Good Friday agreement.

Meanwhile, I have financial services pals in Dublin who are rubbing their hand together in glee at the prospect of poaching firms and jobs from the City.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, the fact that the fact that consequences were unintended doesn't stop them being consequences, you know?

But at this point I will admit we're completely hypothetically parsing what probably was just kind of a dumb comment.

[(Anonymous)]

I think your posts absolutely hit on something I've tried to articulate myself, and am really glad you went into it, anon. Thanks.

[diet_poison]

I didn't get the impression that people in the thread were saying cultural appropriation didn't exist or was a useless idea overall, just that it doesn't apply to liking a band. Music is representative of a culture. Liking music is an opinion. Listening to music is enjoying a performance that might be representative of another culture. But neither of those things are actually expressing a culture yourself. Maybe if you were to go to a concert and dress and act a certain way and try to pretend to be part of a cultural group you're not, or something? But not just liking and listening to a band.