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[(Anonymous)]

Amish Pennsylvania isn't totally closed off. They could easily interact with people of different races.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that would not feel forced at all.

[herpymcderp]

Sure. And generally when they come into town for stuff they do, in my experience (some of my extended family are dairy farmers in PA). I'm just saying it's not going to be a very diverse novel if that's what you're choosing to concentrate on.

Similarly, ancient Norway isn't really going to provide a whole lot of opportunities.

There are a lot of real life instances where you just don't see the amount of poc characters those diversity mods are looking for.

This isn't even getting into the issues with writing poc characters if you're a person who doesn't have that much experience with a particular social group, and the problems of stereotype and accusations that can arise from that (e.g. JKR's really terrible attempt with the whole Native American magic thing recently). Not that that's an excuse to not try to educate yourself, but if it's between that and erring on the side of not making a damn fool of yourself, I'd advise any writer to maybe not make a damn fool of themselves.

[dethtoll]

Have you actually been to Amish country before? They do regularly interact with a variety of different people, for example when they come into town for something. (I saw a group at the zoo a few years ago, even had a nice conversation with one of them.) But those people DON'T LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

If you're writing historical fiction about, for example, pre-colonial Africa... if there's white people in it, you're doing it wrong.

Or say there's a story set in Japan, which is 98% Japanese... what are you going to expect to find there? Here's a hint: PROBABLY NOT PUERTO RICANS.

Not every place is multicultural.

Now, when you start talking about fantasy settings, like Dragon Age the Witcher, then you might have a leg to stand on.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes.

Just seems natural to me that if you were writing a story on the Amish community a part of it would have to include how they deal with outsiders.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, that's simplifying things a bit. Africa has more genetic and almost as much linguistic diversity as the rest of the world combined. Sure if you're making it all about white people that's doing it wrong (never mind Roman Carthage and Egypt). But Africa absolutely is multicultural and multiethnic in ways that matter, whether you're talking about today or 500 years ago.

Japan was unified in the 16th century and was isolationist for a few hundred centuries. Before then there was significant cultural contact with China and Korea including importing at least four different waves of Buddhism, not all of which were peaceful adoptions.

Any significant multicultural work (such as Okorafor's Lagoon) is going to take into account how those issues are different from place to place rather than inserting "Puerto Ricans" everywhere.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll take "Missing the Fucking Point" for $300, Alex.

[(Anonymous)]

And how are the problems of an endogamous religious, cultural, and linguistic minority not multicultural?

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/welcome-to-the-country/article30820904/

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

And that is in the news because it's viewed as an unusual event - i.e. not common.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't doubt that the Amish community is overwhelmingly white, but it's funny you mention them, because the only documentary I ever watched about the Amish included a family which adopted a black child.