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⌈ Secret Post #3496 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

No way, am I using made up pronouns if someone asks. I will use "she" or "he", maaaaybe "they", but I'm not enabling stupidity. There's a difference between being respectful to someone, and making up new words for them.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

maaaaybe "they", but I'm not enabling stupidity. There's a difference between being respectful to someone, and making up new words for them.

maaaaybe "they"

new words for them.

you already seem pretty comfortable with they/them pronouns, buddy lmao.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

You're right, I'm very comfortable in "they/them" being existing pronouns. They are words, after all.

Doesn't mean I'm going to say "I met Sally and they asked me to use "they/them" pronouns when referring to them."

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Why not? You obviously had no difficulty writing that out.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

It's stupid to expect people to adjust their spoken language (which they will inevitably mess up at anyway) to non-traditional or made-up pronouns for your made-up gender.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

"They" isn't a made up pronoun, and people often use "they" to refer to a person when they don't know their gender. I don't see what it would be so difficult to use it.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Maybe what they are failing to say is that when speaking, they default to he/him/his, she/hers/ pronouns and gets annoyed when people get upset for that.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

What about just simple he/she for people who transition? I mess that up sometimes. Just because I mess up doesn't mean it's not worth trying.
And I think in situations where people know you're trying and you genuinely accept them, people are often quite understanding.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Translation: "it's stupid when somebody asks me to adjust my behavior in any way for the comfort of others"

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Singular is not plural. Self is not other. English grammar is flawed, but it does have elements that serve a useful purpose.

And no, you do not get to dictate my language to me for the sake of your self-importance.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I'm also a native English speaker. People often use a singular "they" when they don't know the gender of a person even those this isn't technically grammatically correct. Therefore, I don't see why it would be so difficult to refer to someone by "they" if they ask. I can understand being annoyed by neopronouns, but I'm only talking about the word "they" here.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I can see the self vs. other argument, but singular they/them/their is the way the language is going. Sorry.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately English also lacks a neutral pronoun like French's "on." Also, language is fluid and kind of whatever people agree it is. A singular "they" is perfectly cromulent.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

What happened to "one"? Not a native speaker so idk but I've seen one used as an indirect and neutral way of referring to a person.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

One is intrinsically a distancing way of referring to a person. Almost dehumanizing.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

But..."on" in French does much the same, I think.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I'm no grammar expert, but "one" always seems like a pronoun used when a person is referring to themselves.

One does not think it works smoothly to be saying "One is a person
one thinks is a grammatical idiot" when talking about someone else.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[sadiesockmonkey]

I find this comment embiggening. :)

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Singular 'they' is grammatically non-ideal, but it's also pretty clearly the best available solution to a pressing problem - one which outweighs the, frankly, relatively minor value of maintaining the distinction in question.

So, you know, deal with it.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[chardmonster]

Dude: I often think made up pronouns are really stupid too. Especially when they're particularly twee and really only seem to exist to be used in online communities.

But in this life you are going to have to be polite about all sorts of things you think are stupid, because that's being nice. There is literally no reason not to be nice about something this important to people.