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⌈ Secret Post #3496 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

maaaaybe "they", but I'm not enabling stupidity. There's a difference between being respectful to someone, and making up new words for them.

maaaaybe "they"

new words for them.

you already seem pretty comfortable with they/them pronouns, buddy lmao.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

You're right, I'm very comfortable in "they/them" being existing pronouns. They are words, after all.

Doesn't mean I'm going to say "I met Sally and they asked me to use "they/them" pronouns when referring to them."

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Why not? You obviously had no difficulty writing that out.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

It's stupid to expect people to adjust their spoken language (which they will inevitably mess up at anyway) to non-traditional or made-up pronouns for your made-up gender.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

"They" isn't a made up pronoun, and people often use "they" to refer to a person when they don't know their gender. I don't see what it would be so difficult to use it.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Maybe what they are failing to say is that when speaking, they default to he/him/his, she/hers/ pronouns and gets annoyed when people get upset for that.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

What about just simple he/she for people who transition? I mess that up sometimes. Just because I mess up doesn't mean it's not worth trying.
And I think in situations where people know you're trying and you genuinely accept them, people are often quite understanding.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Translation: "it's stupid when somebody asks me to adjust my behavior in any way for the comfort of others"

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Singular is not plural. Self is not other. English grammar is flawed, but it does have elements that serve a useful purpose.

And no, you do not get to dictate my language to me for the sake of your self-importance.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I'm also a native English speaker. People often use a singular "they" when they don't know the gender of a person even those this isn't technically grammatically correct. Therefore, I don't see why it would be so difficult to refer to someone by "they" if they ask. I can understand being annoyed by neopronouns, but I'm only talking about the word "they" here.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I can see the self vs. other argument, but singular they/them/their is the way the language is going. Sorry.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately English also lacks a neutral pronoun like French's "on." Also, language is fluid and kind of whatever people agree it is. A singular "they" is perfectly cromulent.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

What happened to "one"? Not a native speaker so idk but I've seen one used as an indirect and neutral way of referring to a person.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

One is intrinsically a distancing way of referring to a person. Almost dehumanizing.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

But..."on" in French does much the same, I think.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I'm no grammar expert, but "one" always seems like a pronoun used when a person is referring to themselves.

One does not think it works smoothly to be saying "One is a person
one thinks is a grammatical idiot" when talking about someone else.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[sadiesockmonkey]

I find this comment embiggening. :)

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Singular 'they' is grammatically non-ideal, but it's also pretty clearly the best available solution to a pressing problem - one which outweighs the, frankly, relatively minor value of maintaining the distinction in question.

So, you know, deal with it.