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⌈ Secret Post #3507 ⌋

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[Breaking Bad]

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[Movie: Mr. Right]

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[Jacob Frye/Maxwell Roth, Assassin's Creed Syndicate]

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God, the same-anoning on this comm is getting so repetitive and obvious and annoying.

The film did not do well in comparison to what it spent. I don't know how this is an arguable point.

"Flop" implies something different from "did not do well in comparison to what it spent". Flop implies something closer to, like, "abject critical and commercial failure". And so since that's the language that was used, that's what people are responding to. Especially given the broader sociopolitical context surrounding the movie.

Did you read the news? Hollywood Reporter said its failure at the BO cost the studio 70 million dollars. It's officially a flop when you lose money.

I'm really skeptical of that kind of reporting, because Hollywood accounting is so loose and flexible in general. IMO it's really hard to trust that kind of reporting in general, and even harder to try to draw really strict conclusions about it.

I agree that it didn't do well at the box office, certainly not as well as Sony would have hoped. I also think it was creatively successful and demonstrated that a market exists for films of this kind - not one where you're necessarily going to spend this kind of budget and marketing on it, but a real, substantial market nonetheless. I'm really, really skeptical of people trying to portray it as a complete and total failure, because I don't think it was.

Thank you for defining "flop". I keep wondering what definition people are using when they have this argument.

Would a movie that only missed out on making back its budget by one dollar be a flop then?

Honestly, I don't really care about this particular movie. I just find this dichotomous idea of flop vs success to be really odd. I thought there were more middling movies in between than these arguments seem to allow for.

nayrt but the ayrt is just spouting words. The movie is still playing in theaters and will most likely turn in a small profit before the end of its theatrical run, as most movies on course like this one do.

I'm not taking anyone's word as objective fact here. I just appreciate when people are clear about what they mean so we don't just have everyone talking past each other, all using different definitions but assuming they're all using the same ones.

Yes because a film needs to break even at minimum to be a success. Just making back its budget is not enough and doesn't account for the money spent on advertising and etceteras.

So the question I think that's actually being asked here is: do you believe every movie is either categorically a "success" or a "flop" with no middle ground? Because your response here makes it seem that you do, and I don't think that's a great way of looking at movies (or really media in general)

That's definitely a question of mine that I haven't gotten a direct answer to. But I've gotten at least one explicit definition of "flop" so we're making progress.

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I think that's irrelevant; a movie losing $1 is vastly different from a movie losing $70,000,000. At that point no matter how you slice it...

Movies can and do barely break even or barely not manage to break even all the time. Those are neither flops nor successes.

Yeah I tend to go off into abstract tangents when that's more interesting to me than the particular case being talked about.

I'm glad to see someone say that a movie can be neither a flop or a success. People seemed weirdly resistant to saying that to me. False dichotomies bug me.

Yeah, and context matters. Success for 'Jesus Christ, Vampire Hunter' looks VERY different than success for 'Ghostbusters.'

I think if it had succeeded in breaking even and gone above that would be middle ground.

Don't they have to be talking about the marketing? Because the production budget was $144 million and the worldwide box office gross is $180.9 million.

I commented above and I'm definitely not a same-anon. What a weird thing to accuse people of same-anoning for.

Also, learn the definition of flop. This movie did not flop, at all, by any definition.

Seriously? The studio lost 70 million. The film didn't even break even. The planned sequel will likely be canned because of it.

If that's not a flop then what is it?

...you do realize the movie is STILL PLAYING, right? It didn't "lose" 70 million. It will almost definitely at least break even and probably turn a profit before it leaves theaters. Because it's still playing. Learn how movie sales work, for gods sake.

The movie's been steadily dropping and the odds of it making the $200+ million it needs to turn a profit are all but impossible at this point. Sorry.

lol so now it needs $200 million, huh?

okay then. you sure sound like an expert and totally not like someone emotionally invested in spouting nonsense.

Going by the published articles and the director himself, honey

Revenue comes from theatrical sales, DVD sales, and other products including games. Plus, it hasn't been released yet in several countries. Ghostbusters will be just fine and easily make up any initial deficit in theatrical tickets, you don't need to worry about it at all.

Games? You mean the one that bankrupt the company that made it?

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

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