[ SECRET POST #3508 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3508 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Pokémon Adventures]


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[The West Wing]


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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Numbers-wise, I think Marvel has done better which is all that matters, but one thing that confuses me now is the constant "DC movies are so dark" jibe, because Marvel movies (and the TV shows, especially Daredevil) are starting to match in tone.

[(Anonymous)]

Because stat wise they have more movies. DCU has three. While it's bad that all three have been bad to middling at best, MCU only had 1 good phase 1 movie and didn't get their next genuinely good one until about 5 movies later.

You're gonna have a better batting average if you take more swings over a 5+ year time span.

[(Anonymous)]

What stats are you going off of about MCU? The first phase movies all got very positive reviews.

And DCU had all had bad reviews. The most 'middling' is Man of Steel which still has bad reviews. So DC has gotten 'bad to terrible' reviews.

And the worst part is these are the movies that are supposed to be setting up their universe. How is anyone supposed to have faith in this universe when WB has fucked up the first three?

DC is trying to do what Marvel has done without putting in any of the work. Instead of trying to set up their characters one at a time, they set up one and they tried to make the Avengers. And it didn't work. It was shit. And it was also shit when DC tried to make their own version of Guardians of the Galaxy.

And it sucks because they keep making the SAME mistakes with each movie. They can't seem to write a coherent story to save their life. And everyone keeps going, "Well, just wait for the extended cut!!!" So, WB is going to be treating their movies like video games? If you don't like the first version, just buy the DLC!

[(Anonymous)]

Critics don't mean shit. Marvel movies are mediocre. The only genuinely good ones are Iron Man, Winter Soldier, GOTG, and Ant-Man. the rest of their movies are quip infused messes with varying characterization from movie to movie. People act like they are works of art when they're generic as shit.

DC movies are shit too. But Marvel isn't this savior people make them out to be. Their smugness over their okay-ness is more of a turn off then anything. At least DCU fans are dumbass delusional with their capekino comments but I'll take that over smugness.

Also wtf do you mean number stats. Do you not know how averages work? More numbers = better chance at a higher mean.

[(Anonymous)]

"Critics don't mean shit."

How about money? Civil War (a Captain America movie) made 1,151,887,060.

Batman V Superman (aka a movie with the BIGGEST Superhero names that should have made ALL the money in the world) made 872,662,631.

An R-Rated Superhero comedy that didn't even have a Chinese box office made 782,603,445.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay? 50 shades and Twilight made a lot of money, that doesn't mean they're quality?

[(Anonymous)]

So how do you define a good movie? Your personal opinion? If so, I think Transformers 3 is one of the greatest movies ever. Right up there with The Shawshank Redemption.

[(Anonymous)]

Cool straw man.

A well put together plot, lack of plot holes, consistent characterization where characters aren't reduced to one-note quip machines and if there adaptations at least capture the idea of what they're based on.

[(Anonymous)]

And SA I didn't even say they're bad movies. Just mediocre and anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

Again, critics gave them good scores. Which means they likely have a good plot, few plot holes, etc. etc.

But you said, "Critics don't mean shit." And that box office also means nothing.

So, I can only assume for you, a good movie is only a movie YOU enjoy personally.

[(Anonymous)]

lmao no. AoU is the biggest ur example. People have picked apart what a mess, inconsistent disaster that movie is yet critics gave it a good score. I actually enjoy some of those mediocre movies. I'm just calling a spade a spade. In spite of my enjoyment they are mediocre. They are not these hype super awesome savior of movies people make them out to be.

[(Anonymous)]

So the answer is yes, a movie is good if you think it is good regardless of critics or box office. I don't know why you are talking around that. That is how people should enjoy movies. But don't pretend that your personal opinion proves that a movie is terrible (especially when the majority disagree).

[(Anonymous)]

Dear lord you're dense.

You don't have to be a cook to know you're eating shit. You can enjoy it and there's nothing wrong with it. I love a bunch of shitty stuff. But don't get on a high horse when other people are enjoying their own shit. Which is EXACTLY what MCU fans do hence why their smugness is unbarable.

[(Anonymous)]

The TV shows are a completely different thing.

But in the movies the DCU ones are super grim and depressing (in the case of Suicide Squad they are also dark in lighting).

And even the darkest MCU movie (Civil War) had great moments of appropriate comedy. One of the biggest complaints about DCU films is that even when they try to joke it comes off as forced and out of place.

[(Anonymous)]

But the TV shows aren't a different thing - they're trying REALLY hard to make it all part of the same universe (which is probably poor Agents of Shield's ongoing problems, but that's a different argument).

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say that the netflix shows make the darker tone work in a way the DC movies really don't. Because they have more space to work with, they can let the story breathe more, and even if the moments of humor are a lot more infrequent per screentime than a marvel movie, the darkness isn't as constantly oppressive either.

I think the real problem with the DCU so far is that it's been helmed by Snyder, a guy who by his own admission doesn't actually believe in heroes. You can get something thoughtful and beautiful from that point of view, but not something uplifting and compelling in the way the good marvel stuff manages.