[ SECRET POST #3512 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3512 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So she is gay the same way Dean is gay. Fangirls analyzed the degree and time in which her eyes looked at other people and confirmed it.

[sparrow_lately]

Except the creator and presumably actor wanted her to be read as gay, unlike Dean.

Also: she acts like a gay woman. I can't explain it. But all the gay women I know who I can think of who've seen it get that vibe. Maybe it requires Full Gaydar.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh fuck this. Fuck this. Fuck This. FUCK THIS!

"Acting like a gay..." is one of the most harmful things to perpetuate outside of hate and actual violence. It's harmful for gay people. It's harmful for straight people. It's harmful to everybody. FUCK THAT NOISE.

[(Anonymous)]

lol ok random straight person thnx for weighing in

[sparrow_lately]

Me: kisses my wife
Somebody: damn that's gay
U: THE HORROR!!!!

But in all seriousness I think you can probably think critically and see the difference between coding/recognizing behavior (there's a reason lots of non straight people become friends even if they don't know if they're not straight) and harmful prescriptive shit. Cmon now my friend

[(Anonymous)]

Hmmm, I don't remember Holtzman kissing anybody in Ghostbusters, so you're drawing shit-ass comparisons and my point still stands.

[(Anonymous)]

If you think the only way to know for sure whether somebody's gay is whether or not you've seen them kiss somebody of the same sex then you've got a very weird idea of what homosexuality is my friend

[(Anonymous)]

It's really bizarre how fiercely straight people are "defending" gay people in this thread and just sorta making asses of themselves talking about shit they don't understand. Straight people have decided gaydar is stereotyping gays? Like...learn subtext or butt out, please?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

*snerk* We do have gay communities and a gay culture, which includes a whole mess of body language and verbal code that we use in safe spaces with each other.

[(Anonymous)]

"she acts like a gay woman"

I thought we were trying to abandon the mindset that gay and straight people act differently. Especially noticeably different.

[(Anonymous)]

nah. characters being coded and presenting in certain ways is not the same as saying that there's an essentialist difference going in. in kind of the same way that race-blindness is not necessarily the most productive response to racism.

[sparrow_lately]

+100

[(Anonymous)]

YES. People still have culture from their backgrounds.

[(Anonymous)]

no, we really aren't. we're trying to abandon the mindset that the way gay people act is unnatural and sinful

[sparrow_lately]

this comment is good

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU

the comment is some bullshit "I don't see race!" type thinking

[sarillia]

I feel like there's a difference between a group of people who weren't allowed to be shown explicitly in a movie seeing themselves in certain behaviors and fangirls looking for the tiniest bit of evidence to support their ship. But I don't care enough to keep going and have people sarcastically shouting "muh representation" at me.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank

[(Anonymous)]

well, that kind of analysis, plus explicit confirmation from the creator, you jacknozzle

[(Anonymous)]

Dean is not gay, he's bi.

[(Anonymous)]

no, buddy, you're mixing things up.

Holtzmann: gay women look at her, say "that's how gay women look at other women," smile fondly

Dean: straight women look at him, say "i want to see his cock in another dude's butt," write 10000 fanfiction to justify their fantasy

[(Anonymous)]

Yuppp

[(Anonymous)]

Because no closeted bisexual woman could ever look at Dean and recognize similar strategies used to stay in the closet?

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe if you squint?

Whereas with Holtzmann, it's all pretty much right there for all to see. Give me one bit of evidence that she's straight that isn't "most people are"

[(Anonymous)]

I wasn't the one arguing that Holtzman was straight, though.

(I haven't seen the movie yet but she's hot so I'd hope she wasn't, actually.)