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⌈ Secret Post #3518 ⌋

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[Star Trek: Voyager]

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[Voltron]

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[Up the Women]

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[Digimon Adventure 02]

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[Assassin's Creed: Syndicate]

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[The Sims]

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[The X-Files]

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[Letterkenny, Stewart/Katy]

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I don't like the implication here that there's some actual, legitimate reason that gay relationships are inappropriate for stuff targeted towards YA or a little younger. Or are more inappropriate than het relationships.

Nobody's saying that. But you can't pretend there aren't other reasons they're less likely to happen on a children's show.

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Yeah, pretty much. There are some rare exceptions and it's admittedly a lot more likely now than in years past, but there's still a far less chance of a same gender pairing being made canon on a kid's show. Possibly a little more likely since it's a netflix show (maybe? idk) but still probably not going to happen

I thought a bigger issue was that the parent company still holds some creative control? I think I remember seeing something about how it's still Toei Animation's property and so there are more limits to what they can do with it than Korra had.

Toei has Sailor Moon (canon lesbians) and Precure (yuri subtext and some canon lesbian crushes too).

Schoolgirl lesbians are an exception because they're just practicing for men when they're older. Haruka and Michiru are an exception because of fantasy reincarnation destiny. Main male characters on a mostly male-targeted show being in a gay relationship are a different story.

Yeah, but that's lesbians. Lesbians are safe, and everyone likes seeing two pretty women together. No one except dirty fujos like seeing two guys getting all cuddly on each other because dudes are gross. What are you, gay?

Re Sailor Moon, Naoko Takeuchi being the author (and she loved throwing lots of yuri subtext between the inner senshi too) and Ikuhara (who would later direct Utena and based Utena and Anthy's relationship on Haruka and Michiru) helped.

The writers kinda implied that there will be LGBT characters in a future, thought. And this show is from the same people who gave us canon Korra/Asami, so I have high hopes.Plus the Netflix thing, I doubt Netflix is opposed to LGBT content on their kids shows.

ayrt

did I ever use the word "appropriate"? I'd be ecstatic if an animated show had a teen boy romance. I'm talking about the attitudes that lead to harassing VAs on twitter. The Johnlock shippers who harass Moffat and Gatiss. Most people are perfectly happy shipping without buying into that mentality.

I might be misreading you, but what I'm talking about is that you seem to be espousing an attitude of "This ship will never happen because it's gay and in a kid's show".

you shouldn't harass creators because you should never harass creators, and you shouldn't treat ships as life and death because you shouldn't. but, like, the idea that you gotta keep your head down because the ship isn't going to be canon because of homophobia is bullshit to me.

Why? It's the truth. Tons of writers of kids' shows have wanted to put gay characters in their shows but they weren't allowed to because of the networks saying no because ratings, which comes down to ratings being hurt because of parents not letting their kids watch shows with teh gayz. Get your head out of your ideal world and accept that how things should be are not the way they are.

The problem I have isn't that the point is unrealistic. The problem that I have is that I don't think that your point that fans should just accept that as the way of the world, when we both agree there's no legitimate reason for it to be that way, is wrong. I'm not saying that anyone should pressure the creators, and no one should expect it to change overnight, but objecting to that way of doing things is legitimate and valid to me.

from thread OP: Just don't. Let the writers come up with their own love interests this time

I don't agree with this. I think people can ship! People rightly think Voltron could possibly have a canon queer character and I don't think people should keep their head down if their ship is gay at all, but I can see why you would read it that way.
I just get exasperated by people obsessed with how their ship is sooo canon, probably a hold over from interacting with the destiel believers (so, not about it being a kids show). Everything about the work should be taken as a clue to where the creators are going with the series. The genre, the tone, the plot, the network it airs on. If the characters barely talk and you're calling homophobia when people dismiss your ship, or the creators admit they don't know what you're talking about, I think there's a viewing comprehension issue.

Yeah, I 100% agree people get crazy about it, and people really need to be better at disentangling representation and shipping.

But I'm just saying, if the argument is "popular cartoons can have het romances but not gay romances and that's the way of the world and you should just deal with it" - well, fuck that.

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