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There was a headcanon I once saw that theorized that Elrond took advantage of the sympathy for Celebrimbor's death to decorate the great hall in Rivendell with Feanorian stars ~out of love for Maglor and in hopes that Maglor would return to him~


wow

no

nooooononononononono

fuck no

Not only is it utterly despicable to decorate a place meant to be a hospitable and welcoming refuge for all regardless of race or class - including the Sindarin and Gondolin elves whose families were destroyed by the Feanorians - with so unwelcoming a piece of decor

Not only is it utterly OOC for someone like Elrond, who is reserved and gentle and thoughtful and mature and wise and *incredibly* private about his issues and emotions, to so shallowly, disrespectfully, cringily, and ostentatiously plaster his incredibly private sorrow and love for Maglor in front of everyone's face like that, especially when it makes no sense given that it was the individual person, not the House of Feanor, he loved

But it is not even sweet or heartwarming or poignant in terms of the Maglor-Elrond relationship. The idea of Elrond being still so hung up on Maglor and his perspective on Maglor still being so stunted and myopic, 1,700 years later, that he would exploit Celebrimbor's death just to stroke his own impulses is nothing but pathetic and icky and severely diminishes the nuance and beauty of the relationship.

Ick. I've never liked the idea of Elrond viewing Maglor as a dad (or worse as his real dad since Earendil isn't good enough) but I'm finding that the fans who like Maglor-as-Elrond's-dad headcanon are turning me off of any Maglor and Elrond relationship.

It smacks of the same Feanorian apologizism that excuses the Feanorians of the First Kinslaying.

ayrt

I'm mostly pissed because I LOVE the Elrond/Maglor relationship (and I like, but am by no means a stickler for, the idea Elrond viewed him as a father figure) precisely because it's so delicate and tricky and hard to define and strikes such a precarious balance and has so many contradictory aspects to push and pull it in multiple directions, and bullshit like this is just like flinging all that delicate tricky nuance into a crude, simplistic heap.

But yeah the Feanorian apologism taints a lot of my interaction with fandom surrounding the Feanorians too. It's often an unpleasant surprise to see something believably and interestingly positive about one of the Feanorians, only to later find out the fan who wrote it was coming from a "The Feanoriams are the REAL victims" stance rather than a "people are so multi-faceted and can both do good things and do unforgivably evil things" stance.

Yeah. I used to really like Maglor's relationship with Elrond and Elros. Like you said, it was complicated and messy but I liked to see Elrond's compassion even back then and to see Maglor (and I always add Maedhros because in the original drafts it was him, not Maglor, who was the one with Elrond) have this little bit of redemption.

However, I never read them as seeing Maglor as a father and when I first encountered this headcanon, I had a visceral nope reaction. But I was live-and-let-live about it for awhile. Sadly, I've now come to associate it with Feanorian Apologists (sorry, I know that's not you) and they've completely ruined the Maglor and Elrond relationship for me. It was sweet and interesting once and now I don't want to touch it with a hundred-foot-pole. :(

ayrt

I know the feeling, fandoms have done that sort of thing to me before too :\

Ehhh yeah, I agree with you on a lot of that.

I admit, I happen to be very fond of Maedhros and Maglor, but a lot of shit happened around them and Elrond would be sensible enough not to flaunt his connection to them where people who might object will see it.
Frankly, if he decorated Rivendell with stars, I would think they were not Fëanorian stars, but a style of star less specific to any given family, just for the sake of having stars around in the decorations. Keep in mind, Elrond's own name implies stars in the "El-" part.

My real expectation of Elrond's attitude about Maglor, if cast in a caring light, is that in the Second and Third Ages is that he mostly keeps quiet about it, removes himself from discussions where people are being particularly antagonistic about it, and only speaks kind words about him to people he knows and trusts will be sympathetic about the situation of his youth.

Yeah, while I don't believe the star would be as reviled as, say, the Confederate flag, in middle earth, it's one thing for Celebrimbor to put the star on the gates of Moria as a symbol of his house's friendship with the dwarves, it's quite another to put it in front of elves who come to Rivendell seeking and expecting hospitality and peace and relief from their troubles and fears. Rivendell is not like Lothlorien or Lindon or Eregion, dedicated to its inhabitants first and guests second. It ought to be, and by all accounts is, a place tailored to its guests' needs, not its lord's personal issues. And anyway, if Elrond wanted to honor and remember Maglor, I seriously doubt the Star (a symbol of Feanor's house in general, and a symbol of Maglor's downfall) would be what he would go for. More likely a reproduction of Maglor's harp or something personal like that.

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