[ SECRET POST #3525 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3525 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/bbnOEZi.png

[diet_poison]

I love the image you chose to use for this secret :)

[kallanda_lee]

I think that us as humans do sort of...anthropomorphize things and animals, so it makes sense in that way? You' still look t features that seem familiar, I think. Also there's language. Some great authors pull it off, but it('s harder to name an describe things that do not exist in the real world , and the language we use for it is therefore somewhat limited.

[tabaqui]

I'm honestly not sure what you mean by this secret.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. Also, high five on reading lots of non-human.

[(Anonymous)]

I sort of agree, although I understand the urge to try and cross-reference alien body language to something that would be understandable to a human. Writers want to give a human audience a frame of reference for a non-human gesture/expression, which is understandable. I mean, the example you gave here is terrible, but the sentiment behind it, "Oh yeah, this character doesn't have human eyes, but here's totally what he would be doing if he did!" is actually pretty reasonable, when you're trying to convey meaning to an audience that is presumably mostly human. It's just often done extraordinarily clumsily, is all.

It can be a lot of fun to try and figure out how to express/translate things. I mean, things like "Khelana made that odd, rippling motion of her upper limbs that seemed to be her equivalent of a mildly exasperated shrug" or "She wasn't sure, having never really be flirted with by a robot before, but she thought that the coy tilt of CeeArr's helm and the low flicker of his visor had a distinctly come-hither look about it". There's still ... for the first while, at least, unless the source material has already given us time to get familiar with the alien body language, then the writer is going to have to give some frame of reference, some way for the audience to parse what the physical gesture they're describing means from the alien in human terms. And it can be really hard to do well, if also a lot of fun to try.

[(Anonymous)]

I think your second paragraph has some great examples of a good way to deal with this - giving the reader enough of a human frame of reference, while also working in some worldbuilding to familiarise them with the body language that the robot/alien/non-human character uses, so that the reference isn't needed as much in future.

[tabaqui]

I don't know why this secret as written made no sense, but your reply totally fixes that. Yay!

[(Anonymous)]

OP

See, I do understand this, I guess perhaps my peeve could more accurately be called:

I hate that everyone does this so fucking badly. It's pretty obvious most aliens, having been designed and made by humans, are going to have human-esque emotions and frames of reference simply because the truly alien is kind of hard for the human mind to conceptualize and capture. The more human-like the alien is (bipedal, intelligence at or exceeding human level, complex evolved social societies), the more likely that alien is going to be human-esque. Same with robots. However, those bits of them that aren't human, sometimes I wish they would just leave it alone, or at least attempt to show us, not equate it directly with a human emotion.

Something like:

Character X's visor flared brightly, the sudden stiffness of his body clearly portraying his shock.

Sounds better than:

Character X's visor brightened, which would be like a person with eyes widening them in shock.


I do suppose it's more or less about finding a balance, and that many, many writers fail miserably at this. The examples you give are all things I wouldn't bat an eyelash at. It's just when it's done badly, it's often done spectacularly badly in an otherwise competent fic.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have this peeve, but I am regularly irritated by fanfiction writers glossing over or skipping the only actually interesting parts of the story they're trying to write. It happens so fucking often.
So I feel you.

[(Anonymous)]

Kinda related to this, I hate when robot/alien/non-human characters somehow had the exact same sex traits and preferences as humans. Why, yes, that six-legged bug alien totally has the same cock-in-ass sex as a human.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

For me it depends on how human-esque that alien is. I could imagine an alien like say...Garrus from Mass Effect could have evolved something similar due to convergent evolution (although the best sex fics I've seen with him involve him having a sort of...cloaca like thing, and a penis that can retract under his plating, which kind of makes sense for the body type), but yeah, the more inhuman, the more I find it becomes kind of jarring.

If we're talking about six-legged bug aliens that would be about the time I would dust off my oviposition fetish lmfao.

Although for the more alien-like creatures, I love reading about sex that doesn't conform to human-standard. I read a great....Torchwood(??? Not in the fandom so I'm not sure) fic where the human guy has a consensual one-night stand with a sentient rock alien, and it was probably one of the most unique, fascinating fics I've read in a long, long time, and it dealt with sex between a human and an alien, and it redefined exactly what "sex" could be in that sense, with bonus points for there being limited safe contact between the two.

It was a great fic, although I can't remember the fucking name which pains me, I should have saved it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure this is the fic you're thinking of: http://archiveofourown.org/works/165017

[silverr]

Ha! I scrolled down to comment and rec that very fic (which is also noted in the comment above mine) Ellen Fremedon's Need to Know which I think is utterly brilliant.

[(Anonymous)]

Peer at me with your infrared sensors and touch my hotspots with your piston. Let me rub my hands all over your strain gauge while whispering into your microphone.