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[Feed The Birds, from Mary Poppins]

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(Once Upon A Time)

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[ Dota 2 esport ]

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[Great British Bake Off, series 3]

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[The Private Report on My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness; linked for nudity/implied porn, illustrated]

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[We Happy Few]

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[Stranger Things]

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I was actually about to start a writing thread because I have a question. You beat me to it.

When exactly do you label something dubcon? I'm currently working on a fic. It is very clearly rape, so I'm labeling it non-con. But the whole thrust of the fic is this scenee where the perpetrator, who has previously been violent with the victim, works to break the victim by making him think that he wanted it just because the perpetrator makes it enjoyable and the victim's body reacts (the characters are Sauron and Maedhros if that matters).

So since that's the theme of the fic, I'm not sure if that counts as dubcon since I don't really understand what dubcon is, and I'm not sure if I should use the label or not.

I'd stick with non-con. To me, dubcon is best used when there's an external force influencing one or more of the people with no malicious intent from anyone. So, drunkenness, sex pollen, fuck or die, that sort of thing. Not so much the gaslighting that this sounds like.

Ah, okay, cool. I just wasn't even sure what dubcon really means. That makes sense. Yes, this is absolutely gaslighting by a villain who tries to break his victims in every way possible.

Maybe "Dub-con/Non-con" as one tag, to indicate that it could be read either way? With also "victim blaming", "forced consent"?

Also, tag it with "Gaslighting" or some variation thereof as per aiwasanartist's comment.

I've gotten to where I tag everything like that noncon because that's what it would be in real life, right? And frankly, I don't want dubcon fans reading my stuff because they'll just whine and bitch at me if it gets too heavy for them.

Dubcon and non-con are both rape, they're just different ways of it playing out. The way I see it, dubcon is when there's some kind of consent but that consent is compromised in some way.

Okay, that's good to know. I think I'm going to stick with non-con here because the compromised consent doesn't happen until the victim is close to orgasming, then at that point he asks for it. But before that he clearly says no and the perpetrator tells him he isn't allowed to say no.

Yeah, this. Dub-con and non-con are both rape, legally and ethically speaking, but are indicators in fanfic to describe how the rape is happening.

I would label something dub-con when they are pressured into consenting for sex, or seem to somewhat be into it which the story focuses on, or whatever. Still rape, but it hairsplits a fanfic subgenre imo which is only relevant in the fanfic world.

Non-con because even if the victim thinks it's dub, the rapist knows it isn't. To me, dubcon is when *both* the characters are in a morally grey area.

The way I've always understood noncon and dubcon is that noncon is without consent, and dubcon is when consent is, well, dubious.

A situation where someone is unwilling to admit they want to fuck the other one because they're embarrassed or think being gay is wrong, for example, is dubious. If the character is pushed into it while resisting, it's still rape because consent wasn't given to the rapist, but it wasn't that the willingness was missing, the consent was held back due to other reasons. Dub-con is when consent and willingness are somehow at odds with each other or unclear.

Manipulating and breaking the victim into consenting when they never wanted to consent in the first place is straight up non-con.

SA

So for example, a person who doesn't want to admit they're gay and totally want to fuck the other guy, being pressured into gay sex, is dub-con. The willingness is there but the consent isn't.

On the other hand, a person who doesn't want to fuck the other person consenting to having sex with them for some other reason - sex or die, aliens made them do it, et cetera - while still not really wanting to have sex with them, is also dub-con because the consent is there but the willingness isn't.

Thanks, that's helpful. This is definately of the perpetrator knows it is not consensual and is messing with the victim variety. It was clearly non-con in my mind, I just didn't know if I should include the dub-con label because someone else might see it that way. But clearly it isn't dub-con, so I won't use that.

Assuming the victim isn't attracted to the perpetrator and doesn't want to have sex with him before the incident or you know, something like that, sounds definitely like non-con to me. It'd be dub-con if he secretly were in love with him and wanted stuff to happen but felt it was "wrong" or something, but it doesn't sound like that! I'm pretty sure everyone will get its noncon.

He's only attracted to him in the sense of the perpetrator is very, very attractive and happens to have taken on a form that looks kind of like the person the victim does love. But he knows who the perpetrator is and very much doesn't want it, he's just at his breaking point.

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