[ SECRET POST #463 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #463 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 19 pages, 459 secrets from Secret Submission Post #066.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ], [ 1 - personal attack ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[llamaramauk.livejournal.com]

I don't think that's either necessary or wanted, Jess. I shall personally be very sorry if you resign because of this and I know a great number of other people will feel exactly the same way.

FWIW I support all the decisions the mods have made thus far on PWDR and find the mods generally very light of hand.

In my view, this is not the place to air questions about mod decisions which have not yet affected anyone, and really if OP had a problem they should have raised it with one of the other mods, rather than made an FS about it.

But then, I'm old skool - from the days when you actually addressed your problems to the person concerned before broadcasting them to the world. *shrugs*

OP #38 here

[(Anonymous)]

I don't disagree that the mod is a good one, but my attempt at contacting them resulted in failure. I'm regretting making a fandomsecret about it, but it seemed to be the only outlet I had.

I wished to create some AU characters for development, and now I cannot thanks to this cap. If mods are getting upset over the truth of the matter, then it shows that they never consulted other players about this to begin with.

Re: OP #38 here

[llamaramauk.livejournal.com]

Mods and comm owners do not have to consult players in order to make the rules. That's not how it works in most places on the Internet or elsewhere. I know, as I have modded for other owners in other areas of the Internet and it can be a cold, cold world.

The fact that PWDR *has* in general been rules-light, and consulted the players on a lot of decisions or allowed the community to run itself to a large degree is unusual. It demonstrates a general level of respect and trust in the players that I think up until now has largely been justified.

Unfortunately I think this type of reaction to a rule that is unlikely to affect the majority of players would make me reconsider that trust and respect, were I a mod myself. I have never had trouble contacting a mod on PWDR when I have needed to - there is at least one online at all times even given the timezone difference that I have to deal with.

I find it very difficult therefore to believe that this was the only recourse, and so quickly after the new rule was posted, too.

[shahni.livejournal.com]

As a mod of that very comm itself, I feel the need to say that we are all human and we WILL be busy at particular times. Getting all offended that one of us wasn't able to privately talk to you, nor growing the courage to contact us personally is a bit of a ridiculous thing in my opinion.

While I agree personally, that the rule is a bit limiting (and I say this because I chose to play a type of one of the capped characters), this could have been discussed in a different way.

So I'm seconding this, while your point is not invalid, I find it rather upsetting that this needed to be taken to a secret comm at all. I also find it interesting to note that the OP has taken this to a comm where two pwdr mods are also mods. Crafty, much?

[kecleon.livejournal.com]

Just to clarify, the cap wasn't to STOP all activity from child characters, it was to prevent more kids from being made for the sake of LULZ. The problem was that it seemed that the only reason kids were there was to drive everyone up the wall -- there were only three kid characters there that actually had development and were amazing and generally awesome, and those were Larry, Phoenix and MiniMiles. And I love MiniMiles. ;^;

[shahni.livejournal.com]

You don't love my kiddychan ;-;

[kecleon.livejournal.com]

You know, people are gonna start shipping us. D:

[shahni.livejournal.com]

Haven't they already? Come, let me comfort you.

[kecleon.livejournal.com]

[degrees.livejournal.com]

*LEFT OUT IN THE COLD* ;________;

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I think the line between AU and Crack is not DEFINITE, although it's fairly simple to figure out the difference between the two.

If you can fit a story around the character, and not shove them IN to the story pre-made, then I don't think it's crack (just like a certain someone said, I'm just repeating them).

E.g, 555-Klav is crack. KataMiles is crack. Matt*DeMasque isn't crack, he's AU.

... I think. I'm not a mod, so I wouldn't know, but that's my opinion.


You will be missed, Jess. What I said before... I stand by it, dear. :]

[grandrevival.livejournal.com]

*nods* I believe it was said (possibly in chat) that crack characters for the sake of crack (the first two examples anon listed being like that) were the ones that were being capped. Recognisably IC characters in an AU are still fine.

[(Anonymous)]

I personally disagree. The distinction between crack and AU is starting to get to me. Taking a character's name and altering their appearance, personality, AND background that drastically do NOT make them an AU. They make them an OC of the same name.

There is an extreme difference between a AU who has been developed over the course of an RP as opposed to a character created randomly to a player's liking.

But that is just my thoughts. I am one of the many who has left the DR and won't be returning, no matter how much fun it was in the beginning.

Thanks for the good times, Jess mod. It really was great.

[cantwinahand.livejournal.com]

amen to the AU Does Not Make It Okay To Be OOC thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who feels that way.

I'm not entirely against those characters being in the DR (it is kinda cracky place, even if people seem to freak out when you say that), but it bugs me when people stick up for said characters and go ahead and ban others that are actually, closer to canon than the AU is.

[derbildhauer.livejournal.com]

I'm with you, baby, as always.

UNF

[(Anonymous)]

Dat's hawt.

Anon wants in too.

[derbildhauer.livejournal.com]

You want in between a Von Karma and a Kristoph Gavin?

Anon truly is SICK IN THE HEAD.

But I love you anyway.

tl;dr is tl;dr and probably off point but it's 3am

[grandrevival.livejournal.com]

kdglfgfls Maaaaybe I'm being blind but I don't see the point where you disagree with me. I said so long as the AU leaves the original version of the character recognisably IC... >_> I used the example of Fashion Designer!Nick earlier- so long as he still comes off as Phoenix under different circumstances, he's AU.

I spend a ridiculous amount of time worrying about my own AU characters and I know CERTAIN ONES are beyond saving at this point (short of taking them out and restarting them).

One of the main problems with AU is balance between the original character's behaviour and the circumstances of the new universe (several people can tell you how often I'm like "fjkjfkvlsklv ooc damn you" or "oh god random headcanon wtf") because the further away you deviate from the original canon, the more psychological and behavioural changes the character's going to go through.

It's the exact reason 'DL-6 never happened' AUs are such a headfuck, because you have to consider which aspects of Edgeworth's personality (and Phoenix's, to an extent) were determined by 15 years with von Karma, and which were innate. Add to that that the only real idea of Gregory's parenting skills we have is adored by his son, single father and lawyer- you're really working with a mostly OC parent for a significant period of his life.

CANON characters barely take the same interpretation by two different people (one of my favourite things about being in the DR is getting to see how people's own view of the world helps shape their view of the characters we're presented in Phoenix Wright -why no I'm not into Psychology, why would you ask?), AU characters have a whole other field of issues attached to them and it is a rather grey area to find yourself in- one that shouldn't be taken lightly or without consideration and discussion with at least other players, preferably mods if you can, to decide if a character is too out there.

Go to sleep!! XD

[(Anonymous)]

I really agree with what you are saying, I was just talking about AU's that...really aren't even AU's anymore.

Fashion Designer!Nick works because even though he isn't an attorney, he is, generally, the same guy, just a different profession. (You'll have to forgive me, I don't know that one and could be completely off.)

I won't give examples of the AU's that stand out to me as I do NOT want to make more wank or drama then there already is. Not to mention, I think it would be just plain rude to bring specific people into this.

I really enjoyed the DR for the same reasons. Seeing how other people play their character's differently (so many different Edgeworths!), but I've always felt there was a line that a few people crossed and it was never taken care of.

I have no issues with the mods and think they are great people, I just wish a few rules would be stated a bit more clearly.

I'd also like them to respond to an email that was sent out a few days ago :/ I know they are busy, but it was a few simple questions that I really would have liked to hear the answer to.

I did at midnight. >_> For like an hour.

[grandrevival.livejournal.com]

When the announcement was officially made the first thing I wanted to know was a clarification on what made crack and AU, because there have been some rather extreme AUs (I think one of mine was said to be 'so AU it's hard to decide whether to call him IC or not') made before the rule was implemented so it's kind of awkward to feel for an exact measure of how far you can go with characters now.

The Fashion Designer!Nick was just a random example off the top of my head. I was thinking of a rather old conversation with a friend and Nick Gunn for reasons even I can't think of.

I think the DR did start off a lot more relaxed, but then a lot of people (myself included) got totally addicted, the members expanded, and we seemed to get a lot of publicity, which naturally led to... well, all of this. I know the mods weren't expecting such a huge turnout for the place so a lot of decisions have been rolling with the punches for the place.

Yes, and the different characterisations of characters at different points in the series is something else I love about playing there. (I really need to play with my 1-2 set Edgeworth more, he's such an anal little bastard.) The series is exceptional for main character development (and I hope that continues into the Apollo Justice arc as well) and there have been some characters who've echoed that beautifully while in the DR (off the top of my head feeniehearts and young_frills/unguidedfate).

I tend to usually stalk new active characters for a bit and decide whether I like the way they're played or not so I don't have to start whining about "ZOMG OOC GTFO MY RP THX." It's happy fun time, and in a place as big as the DR it shouldn't be too hard to interact with characters you don't like more than the bare minimum. (Though that does bring up the problem of cliques and Christ I go off topic a lot.)

I hope the mods have been finding time to discuss the email you sent to give the fairest answers to the questions asked even though it's late now because I know none of them are the type to leave something like that hanging without good reason.

[scientivity.livejournal.com]

I'm less concerned with the actual decision (though I do not agree with it) and more with how it was brought to the attention of the players. The announcement, when I read it, came off as very flippant and arbitrary. From what I'm understanding here, there were some other concerns than what was mentioned in the announcement that prompted the decision, but I'm only gathering that because it was brought up here, and I'm still unsure as to what those other reasons are.

I agree wholeheartedly that this is not the ideal place for something like this to be discussed, but I also think that since it seems to have caused enough problems to carry it over here, that we should at least address it. I really don't want anything like this to happen again.

[shahni.livejournal.com]

I just wanted to tell you, it's people like you who give me hope in the fact that there's some understanding in fandom. Thank you for being civil about this. ♥

[kecleon.livejournal.com]

I reeeeally don't think this is the place to go into policies and whatnot about the game, but I do agree that I could have and should have gone about the announcement in a better way.

And, y'know, stayed away from places that are supposed to be fun when I'm not in a good mood. D8 Augh. I think that's what I'm most embarrassed about by this entire thing. Lesson learned.

[scientivity.livejournal.com]

Mm, I understand completely. I don't want to sound like I'm demanding an explanation or anything - it's completely your prerogative whether or not to discuss the actual policies, especially in a tricky place like F!S.

I just feel like that, as one of the people who has nothing but the mod posts in the main comm itself to go by, that communication is a huge part of making sure things like this don't happen. As long as that's being recognized and considered, I'm satisfied. &hearts

And people make mistakes; please don't worry about it too much. It's a very minor issue in the grand scheme of things, and I really do think you're a fantastic mod otherwise.