[ SECRET POST #3542 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3542 ⌋

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Comments

[feotakahari]

I won't be impressed until they have a human woman who's confirmed to love another human woman. Human women loving monogendered aliens who coincidentally look like human women has been a thing for a long time. (Looking at you, Mass Effect.)

And yes, I know about that tweet about how Mr. Smiley and Mr. Frowny used to be in love, but the show itself never quite stated it.

[(Anonymous)]

To be perfectly honest, I think this is kind of a ridiculous standard for a science fiction shoe. These are not real races, and trying to understand them in a way that's detached from the standards of our world seems... Strange. I feel like the most relevant thing is what they represent in our world.

[feotakahari]

I can't find it now, but I once read an essay called "We're Not the Dragons You're Looking For." The author was asexual, and she talked about the first book she'd ever read with an asexual main character. She was so happy to be represented, right up until the main character turned out to be a dragon and flew off to live with the other dragons. She felt like she was being called inhuman, like a person who was asexual couldn't still be a person.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's sad and unfortunate. And I think its vitally important that we have lots and lots of representation.

However, having said that, I'm really not sure how the argument follows on from there, especially as regards SF&F as a genre. I don't think it's that book's fault that media is completely lacking in asexual representation. And, I mean, i dont think it would be a good solution to say that we're only allowed to have cisgender aliens and heterosexual vampires. So I'm just kind of not sure where that goes.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the best "solution" would be to have more variety in the inevitable human characters from SF&F fiction, rather than less in the nonhumans.

SF&F doesn't mean all the non-cis, non-het stuff has to involve nonhumans.

There's no reason you can't have an alien race who are all guaranteed cis and het, in comparison to humans being shown as explicitly not identical that way, for example. (Preferably without any sort of "but the aliens were the real humans all along~" kind of crap.)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, which is what I was getting at with the point that representation is important in general.

[diet_poison]

This is my initial response to it, but not being gay, I will defer to those who are on representation. I do feel like they're doing what they can and they aren't at ALL playing the "well it's not really gay because aliens!" card - they're doing what will be actually shown, and even 10 years ago they might not have gotten away with lesbian alien rocks even. And don't get me wrong, SU and its ships are awesome! I just don't think we should really accept this and say "ok good we're there!" - the bar for real representation is still a little higher IMO.

But again - not gay myself, so take with grain of salt.

[iggy]

To be fair to the series, it's still a kid's cartoon on CN and there might be limits to what they can get away with. Keep in mind that aspects of the show as is HAVE already been censored in some countries...

It sucks, but yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehh... they're essentially women on the show. Female pronouns, Steven calls the fusions "giant women," the fact that they have no gender was only said by Rebecca Sugar and not in any of the show's dialogue. Kids watching are going to perceive them as women. Some will probably have the insight to think "wait, does it really count, since they're rocks?" but others won't even think that hard about it.

[(Anonymous)]

About which tweet? I'm afraid I'm not familiar.

[feotakahari]

I thought there was either a tweet or a Tumblr post about it, but I can't find it now.