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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-10-24 06:11 pm

[ SECRET POST #3582 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3582 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2016-10-24 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like a lot of people play it interestingly when writing for x/Rocket Raccoon. It's always phrased as 'wow, I like you in a personal capacity, let's do something fun'. It's rarely played as 'damn I wanna fuck that raccoon' because, well.

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2016-10-24 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
It's rarely played as 'damn I wanna fuck that raccoon'

I understand and agree with what you're saying, but I also think that if people weren't actually thinking "damn I wanna fuck that raccoon" that porn probably wouldn't exist lol.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-24 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

Not true, plenty of lesbians write slash.

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2016-10-24 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Apples to oranges, man.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-24 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh. Could you explain why it's apples to oranges?

I see "people writing porn about characters they do not personally want to fuck" to "people writing porn about characters they do not personally want to fuck" so it's 1:1 to me...

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2016-10-24 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
According to what I've heard from lesbians who write slash, there's a whole lot of self-identification going on with the slash fic writing- not insofar as the actual gender involved, but as far as the homosexual relationship parameters are concerned.

Now, granted, maybe a lot of people are self inserting with a sapient raccoon as well, but in general the themes there seem more like an exploration of other than self. Hence why I'm convinced there's a lot more people out there secretly attracted to anthropormorphic raccoons than there are lesbians being secretly attracted to dicks (in fact I'm pretty sure there are approximately 0.00000001% of any and all lesbians with any attraction to dicks, and that theoretical quantum lesbian only exists to fulfill some theoretical statistical quota).

If that makes sense.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-24 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Hrm, I would argue that self inserting is not as big a factor as you make it out to be. You seem to be lumping "I want to imagine or watch this character having sex" in the same category as "I want to have sex with this character" when those are different things. The first one doesn't need you to be sexually attracted to the character yourself.

Like, let's not put lesbians on a pedestal and imply they predominantly use slash as self-identification when a whole damn lot of it is "I really want to see this guy get fucked... by another guy, not me." That still doesn't mean they want to have sex with either guy.

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2016-10-24 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
But... put it this way: in the context of your argument that still means someone out there wants to see a raccoon get fucked, if not fuck that raccoon.

I personally don't think the distinction is perhaps as nuanced in terms of attraction in this particular circumstance. ...I was also under the impression that the major pairing here was Rocket/Groot, so somehow someone is finding something to get off to about raccoon sex and/or tree person sex. Correct me if I'm wrong lol.

Unless people are writing porn and pairing Rocket with humans because their thing is seeing humans get it from non-humans which is in general a different thing entirely and I'll concede can have very little to do with being attracted to a nonhuman thing (for some people; for others it's definitely all about the being attracted to the nonhuman thing).

tl;dr I just don't think that for the most part people write porn about things they don't find remotely sexually stimulating somehow. Although I will also concede that I do realize there are totally asexual people who do write porn so the emphasis is definitely on "most part".

OP

(Anonymous) 2016-10-24 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
This reminds me of the argument that people who write My Little Pony porn all want to fuck horses. There's a pretty big difference between porn of characters you know and love and porn of characters you know nothing about, regardless of their personalities.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-24 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Not exactly. Someone out there wants to see Rocket, who happens to be a raccoon, in a sex scene. That's why I keep using "character" instead of "raccoon." I highly doubt the same people get off on random raccoons having sex in the forest, or want to have sex with raccoons. Characters come with personalities and histories and that makes it far more complicated than "raccoon I want to fuck" or "hot plant/raccoon bough in butt sexytime", you know.

Finding something to get off to in Rocket/Groot is not the same as finding tree/raccoon hot and I'm willing to bet a whole lot that the fans are in it for the former and not the latter by a huge huge margin.
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[personal profile] world_eater 2016-10-25 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
im with u

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(Anonymous) 2016-10-24 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
On the other hand, I've seen multiple posts about Zootopia that literally contain the phrase "I want to fuck the bunny."
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Re: OP

[personal profile] otakugal15 2016-10-25 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but they are tlking about a specific, CHARACTER bunny. I mean, Judy DOES have some hips on her. And some nice biceps, so...I can see the appeal regarding her.