[ SECRET POST #477 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #477 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 16 pages, 393 secrets from Secret Submission Post #069.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 (lolol) 2 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 - personal attack ], [ 1 - person has TOO MUCH FREE TIME ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 35

[lanjelin.livejournal.com]

I'm just an idle passer-by that haven't even seen the anime, but I simply must comment; her inability to cook? It's classic! It's the one "flaw" that always, always is tacked on to characters that are a bit too perfect. Usually it doesn't work as a flaw, since it tends to be presented as cute (also, it's a skill, not a trait).

But really, I haven't seen the series. She might be a lovely character for all I know. It's just... that particular "flaw" is almost- no, not almost. It is one of the more famous clichés out there.

Re: 35

[(Anonymous)]

It's really not inability to cook but entire lack of any practical skills. But like you said, it's a skill.

And really, character flaws are something pretty overrated. Their only intention is to drive the plot and make you sympathetic to a character, which would make them Mary Sue by definition. Characters are created for people to like them, their "flaws" are intended to make them likable. Honestly, people...

Re: 35

[(Anonymous)]

So essentially you're saying you want perfect characters? Flaws are what give characters depth and development. They are pretty much necessary for conflict and a good story. If there were no character flaws, then how interesting would the story actually be?

Re: 35

[(Anonymous)]

No, read my post again. She's saying "flaws" that make a character likable are not "flaws" and I disagreed since "flaws" are in the first place only intended to make character likable, the only real purpose of "depth and development" is to generate empathy with the spectator, and to drive the plot/action.

Re: 35

[(Anonymous)]

Not all flaws are intended to make a character likable. For example, Shinji from Evangelion is extremely insecure, timid, and doesn't do well under pressure. His flaws are a major hinderance to the people around him, and they make most members of the audience more irritated at him than sympathetic. I can see how some characters have flaws to make them likable (ex. Nia and Kamina) but that certainly does not apply to everyone.

Re: 35

[(Anonymous)]

Seeing Shinji being an extremely popular character at Japanese magazines' polls I would say his flaws indeed made him likable.

Re: 35

[(Anonymous)]

It shouldn't be a surprise that the Western and Eastern fanbases are different. How many people here do you actually think like him? Another character with flaws is Chibiusa from Sailor Moon, who is bratty and immature but eventually grows up. I can't speak for the Eastern fanbase, but she's pretty hated in the West. Don't make generalizations such as "every character has flaws to make them likable". There are almost always exceptions to every rule.

Re: 35

[lanjelin.livejournal.com]

Actually, Shinji is pretty popular here in Sweden as well.

I don't think character flaws are there to make characters popular, but to male them more human and easier to relate to. When an author loves a character too much to give them a "real" flaw, i.e. something that might actually be detrimental to them in some way, I'd say the border of Sueland is being breached.

Otherwise, the only clear examples of Sues tend to be when the character bends reality. That is, when a character can somehow work outside the laws of the canon they're in, and/or causes extremely uncharacteristic behaviour in other characters.

The only examples I've run into in published fiction are Anita Blake in Laurell Hamilton's series (though she didn't start out as a Sue), and the female lead in Elizabeth Hayden's "Rhapsody" series. People really are overly prone to call characters Sues when they simply don't like them.