[ SECRET POST #3686 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3686 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Ai no Kusabi]


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03.
[Weiss Kreuz/Knight Hunters]


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04.
[Parks and Rec]


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05.
[Okane ga Nai]


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06.
[Death Note]


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07.
[Queer Eye for the Straight Guy]











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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Ha, I wouldn't say it's a comedy, but there's definitely some gothic humor elements, especially with Ryuk observing all the nonsense.

Misa is terrible and I always hated that she never seemed to be held accountable for her actions, but I suppose from the comedy angle, she is the ultimate troll, so I can appreciate that.

[nonnymouscawitz]

I think the manga is more serious but the anime gets downright ridiculous. I remembered the Potato Chip scene. It was still surprisingly hilarious.

I dunno, I find Misa kind of tragic. Granted, killing for love is even more morally gross than killing for, ostensibly, 'peace' (later, Godhood), but ultimately, the entire series was one long decline for her that, according to Word of God, ends in her suicide.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually never understood the reaction to the Potato Chip scene, because to me, it sounded like Light was mocking and basically giving a big Fuck You to L. So, being mockery, I always thought it was supposed to be a little funny. I didn't feel it was the anime being awkward and overdramatic. I loved that scene.

I'm not sure I feel Misa was any more tragic than Light, though. She's posited to be "used" by Light - voluntarily - but in reality, she is totally okay with mass murder and does it long before Light meets her. And she kills, or is okay with killing, for petty reasons, too. I think it's totally unacceptable that the series (and live action movies) seemed to absolve her of any guilt while still punishing Light, when her kill count was probably astronomically higher than Light's and she did it because she wanted to.

Not saying there isn't room to pity Misa, I just don't see her as a moral character, or a victim who isn't responsible for her actions. I just wanted to see the series ascribe the same guilt to her as it did Light.

[nonnymouscawitz]

I would agree to you if that was the only scene like it, but it kind of keeps going. Forever. DRAMATIC PEN SWIPE! DELETEDELETEDELETE...

I didn't say she was more tragic than Light. I think most of the characters have something tragic about them, and Light was always heartbreaking to me because he started out with good intentions and slid from there. (I don't know why you would say her kill count was higher than Light's, though. Light was doing this for YEARS, and that's if you don't include Misa, Mikami, and Takada killing on his orders.)

But I don't think Misa gets off scott-free. They're both punished by the universe. Light's punishment is losing his game, which was a massive blow to his ego, and dying, because Light feared death. Misa didn't fear death. She willingly gave up half her lifespan for shinigami eyes before ever even meeting Light (didn't she do it again later?), and was more than willing to blow the whole operation, even though that would lead to her death. What Misa feared was losing Light. Not only did she not have Light to begin with, but by the time Takada came around, she was no longer blissfully believing Light loved her. She was starting to get suspicious and make more rash decisions, like that whole dinner scenes with Takada. By the end of the story, their public front is crumbling as Light 'dates' Takada (and it's implied he actually did sleep with her), the love of her life is dead, and she is alone, which is another thing she feared after the death of her parents. Plus, Word of God says she kills herself soon after.

[(Anonymous)]

Aw, but again, I liked the Sakujo! scenes. The dramatic death montages were cool. But to each their own. I guess I feel they had to be a little more dramatic, because since so much of the show takes place on an intellectual level, not a physical level, there's not a lot of actual movement. Since it's a murder, it makes sense to me to liven up a scene that's literally just someone writing in a notebook, but hey, I can see why it didn't work for everyone.

It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I think Misa's kill count was higher because she was the acting Kira more often. As in, Light had her kill people when he was in a position when he couldn't, which was a lot of the time. My memory is fuzzy, but I thought she was the acting Kira over the time gap? At any rate, my point is that she's just as guilty as Light. And again, since Mikami and Takada were pro-Kira and killed because they personally wanted to, I don't think their kills should be attributed to Light, at least not solely.

I agree that the universe in the manga and anime probably punishes Misa since she commits suicide and loses Light. What I don't like is that Near didn't go after her. And I hated the live action movies for many, many reasons, but in that, she isn't punished at all and doesn't kill herself. Even if she lost her memories, when Light lost his own memories L implied Light would be punished for the crime anyway. I get that Light is obviously the mastermind, here, but Misa is in no way less guilty than he is, and again, she was in it because she wanted to do it and enjoyed being Kira and killing people, not because she was threatened or coerced by Light.

[nonnymouscawitz]

I think you have a point about the movement, but it still had me bursting out laughing

I would argue that while killing on Light's behalf would make Misa just as guilty of murder, those would still count as Light's kills by proxy. The amount of people she murdered of her own decision was very small.

Well, by the time Near came around the series was phasing Misa out. Whether or not she was the second Kira was irrelevant because she wasn't actively killing, Mikami was, and he was the priority. But that being said, he did go after Misa. They bugged the whole house and had her under watch under guise of a 'body guard', but by that point she'd given up the notebook and didn't do anything that gave them evidence. The only one who ever had proof that Misa was Kira was L, and he was forced to let go of that thanks to Light's gambit.

You keep bringing up that Misa is in no way less guilty, but I never at any point said she was, and have agreed with you about that in every comment.