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[ SECRET POST #3700 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3700 ⌋

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Japanese men on the other hand couldn't care less about this show and think it didn't do anything remarkable regarding representation. I'll value their opinion way more than a western gay man's.

okay why don't you go ahead and link me your stats. a wide-spread poll on how Japanese gay men viewed Yuri on Ice, and why they overwhelmingly (and we're talking about a huge number of people here) found it offensive enough that you feel you have the right to preach against the show on their behalf. The findings should be in Japanese, too - I read Japanese, it's fine - not some tumblr post.

Lack of interest =/= thinking it's offensive.

They just don't care because to them this is just another gay story aimed at women. They do care about things like Otouto no Otto, though, because as a gay manga written by a gay author AND published in a mainstream magazine, it's relevant to their interest. YOI, on the other hand? Just the latest fujoshi flavor of the month.

You didn't cite a damn thing. Why are you speaking on behalf of a group you clearly don't belong to?

Yep, let me link to all those posts and articles NOT talking about YOI *facepalm*

You, on the other hand, are claiming that there are lots of gay men praising the show, so providing links shouldn't be that difficult. I already asked last time btw but you didn't deliver, I'm still waiting. If my google skils failed me and those links exists, I'd love to see them. Not even being ironical here, I want to see them.

Aaaaand, color me surprised, anon never provided those links.

Also for fuck's sake, you'd think if anyone has a right to have an opinion about the show, it's actual gay Olympic skaters. but lol okay discount his opinion, for ~reasons~ I guess

Regarding the sports, yes. Regarding the Victor/Yuuri relationship, he's just another Western fan who has no idea of the cultural context surrounding this show or Japanese LGBT issues.

What the fuck lol

I am gay and lived in Japan for half a decade, go ahead and enlighten me about all the ~cultural context~ and Japanese-exclusive LGBT issues present in the show's narrative that mere Westerners could never understand to the point where their opinions on the portrayal cease to matter. Especially considering most of the show doesn't take place in Japan and most of the cast is not Japanese, but that's not even the point.

Let's totally pretend that homophobia in Japan an Western countries are totally the same.

A "western fan" who doesn't watch anime and isn't familiar with its tropes, yet can see the love story without having it explicitly spelled out for him.

The only people seeing it as something else is the people actively trying to see nothing but fanservice in their relationship, and honestly, dismissing everything between them takes far more effort than seeing what is there.

A guy who doesn't watch anime and think gay characters on animu are so progressive because he has no idea those characters are just fapping material to women. No one told the poor guy about BL and fujoshi pandering.

Let's show him the Himegoto anime next, such a great trans representation anime.

Wow, so something can't be BL and a good romance story involving two men? Wow, then never mind.

Please go back to tumblr to wank about the right kind of representation and other bs.

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DA
The one without a clue about the cultural context here is you considering all you whine about is "its too ambiguous" when the main reason for that ambiguity is the cultural context of Japanese LGBT issues (which is: as much as fujo bait shows are popular with a certain demographic, actual gay representation in mainstream media is something a lot of studios shy away from).

The main reason for that ambiguity was to tease the fujoshi audience, period.. No6 had onscreen kisses, Evangelion had a love confession 22 years ago. Stop making excuse for the show

So, which is it? Fetishization of gay men or teasing ambiguity? It can't be both.

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http://anond.hatelabo.jp/20161210033509

I think you guys will enjoy this one. Have fun :-)

So few comments. It doesn't seem to be that much of a popular opinion.

Translate plz ;_;

Keep waiting. I bet they are just pretending to know Moonspeak to outsmart each other. It's a dick measuring contest at this point.

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It's just a post of someone who has a similar opinion that the anon who linked it.

They complain that isn't really LGBT, and that people saying a kind world like that (where gay couples aren't denied) is good are missing the point because it makes it more like BL than actual LGBT fiction, because LGBT should include doubts and difficulties.

They also mention not being able to understand fujoshis and complain about same-sex love not being really admitted, so people shouldn't use LGBT when talking about the show.

And in the few (VERY FEW) comments, not everyone agrees with the poster. There's even one person asking what is wrong with that kind of "kind world."

So in short: nothing new, just the usual hype backslash mixed with not being the "right kind of representation." It's surprisingly tumblr-like, but it isn't gathering much support.

http://fencer-x.tumblr.com/post/157300455031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=60x4E44Q53A

“No matter how you look at it…this show is depicting a ‘gay world’. But there was absolutely NO allusion to that at all. So you’ve got Yuuri and Victor, and at no point do they look at each other and go, 'Wait, we’re both guys!’ […] The way that, in their world, men falling in love with men is totally normal and no big deal is something that’s been built up [thanks to the precedent of other fictional works in our world] over the past twenty years.”

Says Yamada Reiji, a Japanese man while talking about Yuri on Ice with other men who also agreed with him.

Nothing remarkable, just doing something different from other anime/manga, sure.

To note Yamada Reiji is someone who writes a lot of activist/social issue related manga, so this is something that would be relevant to him too.

DA, Aren't you also generalizing with this statement? What does this even prove?

In other news, the oppression Olympics seem to be in full swing today.

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