[ SECRET POST #3732 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3732 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Anon, don't take the bait. The other anon is obviously trying to start another round of canonicity wank and it's not worth.

(And imo despite all the wank about how ambiguous is everything, it wasn't that ambiguous. They both love each other, it's the kind of love that includes sexual love, they want to be together, and their increasing romantic gestures are pretty obvious.)

[(Anonymous)]

Not everyone who disagrees with your interpretation is bating, hon.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Uh...we're talking about a genre of shows that has a history of walking back even explicitly gay text, including where even a guy who made a freaking totally serious 100% not-joking dramatic naked marriage proposal to another guy in which he says "So this is what love is, I understand now!" and "I'll do everything your girlfriend did, please marry me!" and then they subsequently ACTUALLY GOT MARRIED was retconned by by a stupid homophobic "oh no they totally aren't gay, they're married and live together but they're totes just bros" hand-wave in a magazine.

Compared to that Viktor and Yuuri feel like pretty par-for-the-course subtext. As a guy who is LGBT I'll be the first to admit I probably see the world through some fantastically queer lenses sometimes, but once you notice the common "almost-text subtext" angle a lot of anime does in order to not give real canon queer representation, Viktor/Yuuri absolutely falls into that trap multiple times.

[(Anonymous)]

Samurai Flamenco was an absolute mess and shouldn't be compared with anything else because it was obvious the people in charge didn't even know what they were doing (I mean, the plot itself. And everything they said in interviews, including the "there was no character development" thing).

And btw Goto and Masayoshi didn't get married, no need to make up stuff to make it seems worse than it was because it's VERY BAD as it was.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow first of all how dare you

Just because you didn't like Sam Flam doesn't mean it's bad. I agree the interviews paint a terrible picture but that seemed more like desperate backtracking after they realised how badly the series was selling. For a story so fucking batshit there's a lot of obvious foreshadowing and thematic consistency. I don't buy that they just bullshitted their way through it.

Also the characters definitely do develop, just in a realistic way, which is to say they do change and learn but their core personalities stay the same. Mari becomes more aware of how her behaviour affects others, Masayoshi sort of learns how to rely on others and become a functional adult, Goto starts letting go of his crazy gf obsession etc.

I think AYRT is referring to an event in the mobile game. In that they did get married, but as side material it's only debatably canon.

[(Anonymous)]

(AYRT)

I love Samurai Flamenco not only as a sentai fan. I think is a fun anime, and as long as you ignore he interviews it's very charming. But I'm not going to pretend it's a great series because it isn't.

Also, the "there was no character development" thing was said BY THE DIRECTOR, not me. I agree the characters do develop and that's what make that interview absolute nonsense.

I know about the card game, but another company was in charge of that game. Though we don't know how much creative leeway they had, no one involved with it said anything to deny their marriage. The denying interviews were all about the anime.

[(Anonymous)]

Got bored of that show as my mum is an ice skating fan and otherwise wasn't my thing. However, seen 4 episodes with my husband and it's pretty clear Viktor is hitting on Yuuri - not in a fanservice way. Seen the end scenes and they seem to be pretty much engaged aaaaaannnnnd context matters - Russians would not exchange rings with friends unless it was a birthday gift or similar for ONE person. Otherwise - there is not concept of friendship rings, you can have a friendship pendant though. I have a pendant and no rings or bands - people do question it until I tell them it was carved with a diamond drill and book shape is kind of my thing. If we had rings / bands - no one would ask.

[(Anonymous)]

You get it better than some fans.

Everything that gets dismissed as just fanservice is emotionally loaded, and treated seriously by the show and all its characters.

There's not even one no-homo moment in the whole show! I think that speaks by itself, and unless there's a second season and the tone changes completely, there's no reason for the endless arguments some people try to cause.

[(Anonymous)]

SA above you - BUT THERE IS ONE NO HOMO MOMENT ... according to people ... which to me read as 'please continue to pose divaishly in my house while I blush' - the one where Victor asks Yuuri about partners and he mentions some ex girlfriend. Sure, he can be bi but yeah ... seen weird debates on that as well. I get they come from sports anime genre but I never watched those (last one I watched, also with husband, was Yamishibai).

It's probably more complicated anon - some people love to misread the clear tone whatever media does. Poland was scandalised at 7th HP book and to me it's been clear-cut that Dumbledore and Grindelwald were in a very toxic relation that might have never been official for them but still read as possessive (yep, not romantic, the bad kind dark one but still, not friendship!).

Neon Genesis Evangelion had same moans with Shinji and Kaworu ... same as No.6 with main characters (here - it is somewhat convoluted but not for the lack of queer content but we do not know if Inn Keeper and Rat were binary as first one seems to have no gender and second one could be just very femme).

Death Note author, Saiyuki one and the Wolf's Rain one kind of would fit with their works - while not with those (as in stated clearly) but others had similar problems. Plus whomever written Yugi-Oh ... which was a horror apparently and not some merch machine.

[(Anonymous)]

No one mentioned an ex-girlfriend.

Once Victor asked if there was a girl Yuuri liked, but after that, when asking Yuuri about his past relationships and when talking about his own past relationships, Victor always used "koibito" which is a gender neutral term.

Sadly CR decided to translate koibito as "girlfriend" all times but during the beach scene (they translate it there as "boyfriend"), so that's on the official translator messing up. In the dub this was fixed afaik.

[digitalghosts]

That was me anoning above and that makes sense, did not listen in as we watched it at night with subtitles but forgot who was the translator but it was Victor asking if Yuuri is taken and his answer sounded like he had an ex gf but did not hear words used.

[(Anonymous)]

Not true, there are several no homo moments:


Victor taught me love: B-But not like that, I mean platonic love! Just like the love of my friends and family.

They kissed: Haha I was just doing it to surprise you!

Rings: Good Luck(TM) rings.

[(Anonymous)]

Victor taught me love: B-But not like that, I mean platonic love! Just like the love of my friends and family.
That never happened, unless there was change of the script in the dub? If so, blame Funimation.

They kissed: Haha I was just doing it to surprise you!
Yes, it was a surprise. A thanks/payback after the quad flip surprise. They also ended looking at each other eyes and smiling while ignoring the whole world. And, you know, they kissed, and their PDA only increased after that.

Rings: Good Luck(TM) rings.
The rings mean many things according to Yuuri and WoG, and yes not all those things are of romantic nature, so? Are you trying to say that if everything isn't 100% romantic all the time, then it invalidate everything else?

If you need to twist things to accuse to show of no-homoing anything, the issue is not the show.

[(Anonymous)]

The very fact that you have to write a paragraph excusing every single no homo moment speaks for itself. The show tried to no homo several scenes, that's a fact. Yuri did say that his love for Victor was platonic. Victor literally said the kiss was a surprise kiss. The rings were called charms. Is the homo interpretation still possible? Yes. But at the same time the show gave plenty of reasons to the no homo crowd to no homo the show.

[(Anonymous)]

Pointing how things actually are is not excusing. But whatever, keep making things up (the word platonic was never even mentioned once) if that makes you happy.