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I don't think videogames lead to direct violence, I do think they have contributed majorly to society getting more pro-military/willing to tolerate warcrimes and much more selfish and randian/redpilling in general. I hold them accountable for the violent ideology inflicted on others.

Nah. Loom at the posters produced during the world wars. Look at every govenment in war times and every conservative government in peacetime. Hell, look at the entire 50's, 60's, and 70's mainstream culture. Read any literature addressing was and soldiering made at any point before videogames.

Its always bee dulce and decorum. Blood and honor. Videogames have done nothing that literally every other media in history has done. People romanticize war. Always have.

I think you vastly overestimate the amount of people playing FPS and military based games.

When the majority of people are politically apathetic, and inclined to follow the herd, it doesn't need a terribly large volume of other people to normalize an attitude. If there are enough people, who are persistently vocal enough, about how corpse desecration and torture are fine and cool, and how it is fine to degrade women or spout racist nonsense, then it can very easily sway the majority into accepting such horrors as a new normal. Look how easily they made being in a workers union seem like a bad thing in the 1980s and 1990s and how quickly that idea caught on, and that was from only a few hundred people in key media positions (maybe less). Gamer culture is having us sleepwalk into a human rights nightmare and normalizing being uncaring to our fellow human beings.

I think Gaming is FAR from the only offender on this front, but I don't actually think you're wrong here. IMO, it's way easier to normalize bad stuff than a lot of people in fandom seem to think it is.

For the record, I think you could (and many people do) level similar accusations at porn (mainly on the degrading-women-while-normalizing-sexual-violence-and-disregard-for-consent front). However, while I agree that the porn industry has those issues, and I don't take them lightly, I'm not someone who believed that porn should be banned, or that people should be shamed for watching/looking at pornographic stuff.

Which is the same way I feel about certain aspects of Gaming and Gamer culture. There's some issues, and I take them seriously, but I don't believe banning and shaming is the way to go.

So you're saying most people have zero fantasy/reality divide and media is a big way to influence people into being horrible, violent monsters via brainwashing.

I think they're saying media degrades the fantasy/reality divide.

I don't agree, because everyone enjoys one media or another, and yet the violence is on a decline.

If that were true, this news story about a man committing real world violence wouldn't shock anyone. It's just be taken as more media.

I think there's some truth to what that anon was saying. It's not a single factor, but violent video games and media has definitely had a hand in creating a culture of violence and degrading the fantasy/reality divide.

Personal anecdote time! I work with kids. I've worked with kids for years. There has been a problem rising in the past...5-10 maybe? years where kids are A. lacking imagination and B. way more violent and lacking empathy. And the kids that are the worst, are the kids that are allowed to play video games and watch movies that are not appropriate for their age - all the war and fps and violent ones. Every. Single. Time. We can pretty much pinpoint which kids are taking in violent media vs the kids that are taking in child-appropriate media just by observing them at this point.

Do I think video games or media are solely responsible for these things? No. Do I think all of these violent little hellions will turn into murderers or adults with completely warped psyches? No. But I can definitely tell you that the violence in the media, that includes cartoons and video games, has definitely had a hand in changing the social structure and culture.

As to your original post, yeah, it's bullshit. This dude was nuts. And it sucks that they still tend to go "it's 'cause of video games!" when I think a more compelling argument would be on the rise of social media and viral celebreties etc. I don't really think that's it either, but I think they'd have a stronger argument if they went that way.

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