[ SECRET POST #3771 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3771 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

the fact that the whole story is set up to make it a reasonable decision for a woman to forgive and have a romantic relationship with a man who did something so horrible to her is pretty upsetting to me as a basic starting point, though

like, honestly, do we not have enough stories about men violating women terribly but still being rewarded with love and sex by virtue of protagonist circumstances???? can we not have some happy romances where a woman gets to be forgiven, or where being along IS better than being with someone who hurt you horribly for selfish reasons, or where people don't do horrible shit to each other?

I guess it's better that it's acknowledged as awful than if they glossed over it but it's still super uncomfortable for me, and also kind of hackneyed

+10000

[(Anonymous)]

this is a really good post

[(Anonymous)]

How horrible is horrible? She lives out her life in space or she gets defrosted at the new colony where all kinds of things could go wrong and often does.

Usually with monsters or space plague.

[(Anonymous)]

can we not have some happy romances where a woman gets to be forgiven

So you want to flip it so that instead of women forgiving men for doing a horrible thing, because that's bad and we shouldn't have those stories, we should have stories about men forgiving women for doing horrible things because that's... better?

[(Anonymous)]

At least it'd be something different. There's 38,571,395,781,974,604,759 movies out there about women forgiving men for doing horrible things. I can't think of any of the reverse that don't also severely chastise the woman from the audience's point of view so that you know she hasn't really been forgiven.

In other words, no one's saying "we shouldn't have those stories," but rather "stories should be way more balanced than they are if you want to tell that kind of story."

[(Anonymous)]

I don't men getting forgiven is bad because 'we shouldn't have those stories'. I think we have so many that it's kind of unhealthy, culturally, what a dominant narrative it is. I think a lot more variety in how forgiveness is or is not handled would be a much better counter to that excess than some kind of hamhanded attempt to censor a story that isn't bad in itself.

Every individual story where a woman forgives a man a terrible violation for obligatory romance has less cultural power to say 'this is just the natural way of things' if there are also stories without forgiveness or stories where it goes the other way. If we had a better variety, I wouldn't mind Passengers existing exactly as it is. The answer is more stories, not less.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this. Urgh.

I don't think this dude's choice is THE WORST THING EVER! but it's subsequent treatment throws salt into an old and deep wound. I don't want to experience more of that.

[tabaqui]

ALL OF THIS.