[ SECRET POST #3771 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3771 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

It's not up to JLaw's character, because JLaw's character is not a real person. It's up to the person writing the story how they chose to tell it, and the specific choice made was a bad one to make especially in the context of a movie that was certainly marketed as a romance. I agree with the importance of empathy and forgiveness but they become really weird constructs when you apply them to works of fiction. And I think giving those characters that ending does - in the specific context of the movie - minimize what he did, just inevitably.

[(Anonymous)]

" It's up to the person writing the story how they chose to tell it".

I hate this argument. By this logic ANY female character written by a man should not be praised for whatever feminist reason or another. That praise should go to male writers.

[(Anonymous)]

By that reasoning though, no character male OR female has any agency whatsoever? I don't think that argument really works.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, but I was just thinking about it and I realized that the third sentence should probably read: "they become really weird constructs when you apply them to fictional characters as though they're real human beings".

[(Anonymous)]

Every time I hear "it's not up to the character", I always know that person isn't a writer.

[raspberryrain]

Was it marketed as a romance, or as a science fiction movie with some sex in it? That's not really the same thing.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a very meta approach, though. Oftentimes people prefer to look at characters and stories within the context of those stories. Sure Aurora is a fictional person, but we are asked to assume she's real. What is the point of storytelling at all if you're going to pick apart the construction instead of absorb the tale?

[(Anonymous)]

So... What does he actually do?

Also why would I want to see that, in space or anywhere else?

[(Anonymous)]

As I understand it, they're both passengers on this luxury spaceship heading to colonize a new planet. Everyone is in suspended sleep because it's going to take 100+ years to get there, but something happens and Chris Pratt's character wakes up from his sleep by accident and finds himself alone, in space, unable to reach Earth or do anything about it. Not surprisingly, it makes him go a little crazy and he decides to rig up a malfunction for Jlaw's sleep pod so he can have her company (because he's already kinda in love with her from watching videos about her) but he doesn't tell her that he did this on purpose. They fall in love, and eventually she finds out by accident what he did and the shit hits the fan.

[(Anonymous)]

From reviews, he's on a colony ship where everyone's in cryosleep for the several hundred year journey to a new planet. His pod malfunctions and he wakes up and is now doomed to die before he arrives on the planet. So he finds a pretty lady, wakes her up, pretends her pod malfunctioned too, and seduces her. She finds out that he deliberately woke her up and ruined her chance at starting a new life on a planet and deliberately doomed her to die with him on the ship and is mad at first but forgives him because twu wuv.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, forgiveness is great but it's not like the history of film/tv/etc isn't FULL of women forgiving men for doing horrible things.

It probably would be a more interesting way to end the movie if she didn't forgive him and held onto the grudge.

[(Anonymous)]

+1. It took a decently interesting premise and made it as boring, predictable and overdone as it possibly could.

[(Anonymous)]

the fact that the whole story is set up to make it a reasonable decision for a woman to forgive and have a romantic relationship with a man who did something so horrible to her is pretty upsetting to me as a basic starting point, though

like, honestly, do we not have enough stories about men violating women terribly but still being rewarded with love and sex by virtue of protagonist circumstances???? can we not have some happy romances where a woman gets to be forgiven, or where being along IS better than being with someone who hurt you horribly for selfish reasons, or where people don't do horrible shit to each other?

I guess it's better that it's acknowledged as awful than if they glossed over it but it's still super uncomfortable for me, and also kind of hackneyed

+10000

[(Anonymous)]

this is a really good post

[(Anonymous)]

To each their own, I guess. I thought she should have shoved him out an airlock.

[(Anonymous)]

"Besides, you get to see Chris Pratt and JLaw boning in space, what more do you want?"

Well, since I'm not attracted to either of these people... I want a fair bit more than that OP lol

[(Anonymous)]

It was originally written as a horror movie, and pretty much the only thing they changed was to give it the Happily Ever After ending. It would be like if Misery ended with Paul and Annie getting married, because she only hurt him because she loved him so much, and after all, she was his biggest fan.

[(Anonymous)]

mte, pretty much

[(Anonymous)]

Hollywood stars fake-boning is a good way to make sure I don't go to see a movie in theaters, and a good chance I won't see it at all period. I don't want to see that and I ESPECIALLY don't want to be seeing it with a group of strangers.

[(Anonymous)]

I just feel sorry for Chris Pratt for having to work with JLaw. Especially after her dumb Hawaii story. (for those that don't know Chris used to live in Hawaii)

[(Anonymous)]

Know what would have made this better?

Have her pod actually malfunction, him attempt to fix it and fail, and learn from that. There. All squickiness removed.

[thewakokid]

I'm on your side with this, but you know how I would have ended this film, knowing all the controversy that was to follow?

I'd have had her not forgive him. I'd have had her do the "Empowered Woman" thing and murder his ass. A real Aliens "get away from me you bitch" fight to the death, where she wins... Then spends a few years alone in space, goes crazy. Falls in love with one of the male popsicles, in thaws him, plays the whole thing out again and realises that she should have forgiven him.

It would have been so much more fun to argue with the feminists who would inevitably come out of the woodwork arguing that its totally different when she did the same thing because...

As it is we have the ”A (fucking) white male is being creepy and stalkerish. No empowered woman should ever forgive that" which is a dull and stupid thing to argue because in the end it comes down to preference. These people won't see it as anything other than pro-white male propaganda, and there's nothing new or fun in arguing it.

[(Anonymous)]

Super late to this, but who cares?

The way I saw this movie, there was a way it could have gone that would have been interesting. Firstly, the thing that really messes with the plot is that she's given the option of going back into cryo in the medbay, but chooses not to. Take away that option, and you lead Jlaw to the decision, do I forgive this guy, or do I live alone for the rest of my life? In that situation, one imagines she'd eventually give in just for her own sanity. That is not a happy ending. In truth, this could be the plot from the moment what he did is revealed. He spent a couple of years going crazy before he sabotaged her cryo pod. How long could her anger keep her going before isolation leaves her with no other choice?

The trouble with the film is that it's a blockbuster with Jennifer Lawrence and Chris Pratt. The story could have been a very interesting tale about the effects of isolation, and people driven to desperation just for human contact. Instead it turns into a generic action plot, and never quite earns the forgiveness after the finale.

[(Anonymous)]

I never heard about the controversy until after I saw the movie. My husband and I both hated the film because what we saw bore little resemblance to the film advertised. The trailers all made it seem like she also woke because of a malfunction. I don't know if we would have gone to see it if we'd known the truth beforehand but we almost certainly wouldn't have felt as if we had been cheated out of £19 to see a very different film than we were in the mood to see.