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I don't really get angry about it, it's just a small eyeroll from me. But fans have been doing that shit for years so I feel like I'm just used to it by now.

For all the passing and moaning that gets done about this, it's rare that I actually see it. Do I see people use their ships as receipts for not being bigots or phobes? Yes. But that's vastly different from someone claiming a ship makes them an activist.

Yeah, I see people outraged about the idea of fans claiming that they are super pro-LGBT by shipping slash pairs, but I've rarely actually stumbled across anything resembling it. Especially not for like incest pairs. Maaaybe for gay pairs that are canon or heavy in queerbaiting or probably intentional homoeroticism, but I guess I haven't been hanging around the right corners.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-05-05 17:54 (UTC) - Expand

It does seem rare, but it can be annoying when it happens.

I remember seeing someone actually lecturing everyone on their ffn profile about homophobia, just because they happened to like one (ONE!) fanfic that portrayed a gay pairing quite well. I'm like, dude, it's great you enjoy a story, and it's great you aren't squicked by it at all. But you are not the queer god's gift to the gay community by wearing your approval like a pride hat and then beating everyone else over the head with it.

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cbrachyrhynchos - 2017-05-05 04:06 (UTC) - Expand

Oh I've seen it. Especially the people who are on a crusade to make their ship canon.

For all the passing and moaning that gets done about this, it's rare that I actually see it.

This is exactly what I was thinking, and I'm deep into a fandom that's surely one of the worst offenders (Sherlock).

One thing I have seen a fair amount of, in the Sherlock fandom, is people getting mad when Johnlock doesn't become canon, and explaining it as the writers being too spineless to deliver LGBT representation.

But while I disagree with that argument, I still make a distinction between that and people actually claiming shipping Johnlock makes them LGBT activists or something. I haven't seen much of the latter. Just a whole lot of people getting mad at the writers and yelling about queerbaiting and queer erasure and stuff. (I mean, I guess you could kind of read into these people's anger, and say they're acting like fighting for their ship is some kind of LGBT activism. That wouldn't be wildly inaccurate. But most of them aren't actually trying to claim some kind of personal virtue for doing what they're doing. Which is at least slightly to their benefit? Oy.)

(For the record, I never once believed the writers had any intention of making Johnlock canon, and personally I think they were fairly clear about that pretty much from the beginning. I am not one of the crazies.)

It used to see it all the time on tumblr circa about 2013. Though, I gotta say as much as "Jocklock saved gay marriage" posts were, it's better than the current discourses.

There was a time when I saw it from Sherlock fandom a lot. When the equal marriage law passed here people were posting about how it was great because John and Sherlock could get married which...was not exactly the main point.

Tumblr slactivism, I presume you mean. Followed by hammering on the shows' creators to put up or die.

Definitely worthy of derision.

I don't find it rage-inducing when I stumble across it but it is certainly eye-roll worthy to me.

Although I do have a hard time believing that anyone who ships an incest ship would argue that they're doing LGBT fans a favour, that would be almost awkwardly bad.

Oh, is this the incest ship?

In that case 8/10 for trolling. The current hotness in complaining about queerbaiting on SPN is Destiel.

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nightscale - 2017-05-05 02:58 (UTC) - Expand

I don't think I'll ever get over that one time someone I knew and considered reasonable claimed, in all seriousness, that Thor/Loki was queerbaiting. Never ever ever.

I saw more than one person say that, back in the day.

I think Destiel would have probably been a better example. I've never seen a single Wincest shipper who even wants it to be canon, much less claims that it would be any kind of positive LGBT rep

I don't think this about being canon though? it's about people shipping things and thinking it makes them good? tbh I don't quite get it. I mainly see posts like this, claiming people think their lgbt allies for liking slash ships, rather than the shippers going oh yes! look at me! an ally for all lgbt folk!

+1, I've never seen a Wincest shipper using the LGBT representation argument, though I have seen people use Wincest to argue that all slash is disgusting. But I have seen it with a lot of other pairings, most recently in Sherlock BBC.

Well, I've seen J2 Tinhatters claim that their disgusting theories and attitudes towards the wives are pro LGBT... maybe that's where the secret comes from?

(I've seen people who CLAIM to be Wincest shipers claim that yes, their Incest relationship is canon and not seeing that is "denying" positive LGBT rep by focusing on a "queerbaiting" necrophilia ship... but I am 95% sure that those? Are trolls who want the ship war to keep going)

It's better than the hetero fangirls that ship their self-insert with every male character and then bitch about "gay stuff" being delusional.

Nope

It might be taboo but I think gay shipping has at least made some people more open to being tolerant towards real life issues.

I mean... my family is pretty religious and conservative and my grandparents were openly homophobic. Yet when I got old enough to use the internet and get into fandom gay/lesbian ships were so prevalent that it sort of removed the stigma of the idea of same sex relationships I grew up with.

Yeah, I don't think anyone should think their choice of ship counts as support for real people and there are definitely a lot of fans that just fetishize it but I still think normalizing same sex relationships in fandom can help change peoples mindsets in a positive way.

Lots of people are very ignorant about stuff they have no experience with and I think fandom can be a positive influence depending on the people they surround themselves with.

Your first point, about tolerance, is definitely true for me. Slash fic at least made me leave behind my mild religious homophobia.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-05-06 01:57 (UTC) - Expand

I understand the frustration, and at the same time I would have agreed with it 4-5 years ago and I'm a lot more sympathetic now. I ended up falling into series and fandoms that were ridiculously het-biased and as a queer fan after a year or so of that I realized it was taking a serious toll on my mental health. I was having a lot more negative thoughts about myself, I started feeling a lot of anxiety about bringing up past girlfriends and considered pretending they were boyfriends. I got really down every time I had to listen to well meaning fandom friends talk about how they just couldn't understand why anyone could see characters as gay they just didn't read as gay to them, and remembering every single time I've mentioned having a girlfriend and gotten told that I don't look gay, don't seem gay, they never would have expected I was gay.

I ended up taking a break from these fandoms and going to slash friendly ones where I wasn't constantly surrounded by default het. Until I could hear friends bring up past fandoms and how they just don't see how anyone could imagine Trowa and Quatre as Gaaaay they're so obviously heterosexual, with just me quietly eyerolling instead of feeling like a freak.

So... I don't think they're doing the world a huge favor by slashing pretty boys, but I do think they're unintentionally making queer-friendlier spaces and as long as they're not being huge hypocrites towards queer fans while praising queer fiction of fictional characters then I think they're fine.

I had seen people calling others homophobic for not shipping, heeere it comes, AshxPikachu.

Well, it is fucking annoying.

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