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⌈ Secret Post #3777 ⌋

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[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/FYQbqDq.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

You will find that the Harry Potter fandom is only truly old news when none here are loyal. ;)

[(Anonymous)]

i kinda view slytherin house like law enforcement; there are good ones out there but they're stuck in a culture that is pretty terrible.

tl;dr

[case]

I kind of get it. In Harry Potter, all the Slytherins were kind of focused on doing random racist terrorist things because that was the overarching plot, but I don't think Slytherin was intended to be racist or terrorist or idiots, more that it got co-opted by people like that who drove everyone else out. The books show Slytherin during its descent into its LOWEST point, that's important to keep in mind.

I can also see a character with goals and ideals who isn't a bully or evil, being offered a choice between another house and Slytherin and opting for Slytherin in order to use them (as in, use the racists). Slytherin is basically the "rich white old boys club" of wizarding world, and having connections in there and graduating from the "right" House would get you pretty far. Someone thinking that sure, they'll play along and use Slytherin and the petty, conniving idiots therein for a while then after establishing themselves, they could cut ties or use their influence or power (and all the blackmail they've gathered) to go against them - but seeing the entire House as a stepping stone, or being willing to use others to achieve that kind of ambition (even if the ambition is get all the power then expose all the racists), is pretty Slytherin in itself (just not the kind of Slytherin the rest of House Slytherin thinks they are).

Relevant to the book the book club read last month, Havelock Vetinari would be a magnificent non-stupid, non-racist (but still kind of a bastard) Slytherin graduate (who aims for and achieves overall good, though his methods are questionable and he's definitely not a Good character). He more or less did the above and used the rich nobles' connections and exclusive Assassins' Guild school education to overthrow a corrupt ruler in order to restore (relative) sanity and order. He's my favorite character in Discworld.

... though Vimes as the angriest Hufflepuff is a close second.

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[(Anonymous)]

but I don't think Slytherin was intended to be racist or terrorist or idiots, more that it got co-opted by people like that who drove everyone else out. The books show Slytherin during its descent into its LOWEST point, that's important to keep in mind.


That's a very, very good point, and I think you're right.

The people running the show are the worst, and have also had proteges they've groomed to keep running the corruption. So that's not only who is loudest, but it becomes easier to follow their footsteps. Especially if you are ambitious, and feel you might as well use a bit of what they've got until you realize too late how far you've sunk.

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[tentaclecore]

Vimes as an angry Hufflepuff is my new favourite thing, thank you. Cannot stop chortling over that mental image.

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[diet_poison]

Vimes as the angriest Hufflepuff

♥

But also, I dunno, I don't think Rowling really intended Slytherin to be ~~evil~~ though she didn't do a great job with that premise. That said, Salazar Slytherin definitely intended his house to be racist and exclusionary when he founded it.

I mean, I am 100% in favor of fandom interpretation of Slytherin as not inherently evil, don't get me wrong, but I don't think the author did a good job of making it Not Evil, even inherently, in her writing of it.

[morieris]

As someone who was sorted into Slytherin on pottermore (twice), I've never thought of why the hell Crabbe and Goyle are in there.

[diet_poison]

Honestly, I assume it's because nothing was more important to them than proximity to Malfoy. They possess Slytherin's negative traits and not really anybody's positive ones.

[greenvelvetcake]

If anything, you'd think they'd get sorted into Hufflepuff, since loyalty appears to be their most prominent trait.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok... so, you have one part of the books saying that Slytherin are supposed to be motivated and clever, and then you have the Slytherins actually in the book which aren't either and at some point you have to decide which you're going to decide is more important.

And some people go for the motivated and clever part and some people go for the fat ugly jealous loser part.

My person litmus test is
Why Do You Do The Thing?
G - Because of the challenge!
R - Because of what I can learn from it!
H - Because my friends are doing it!
S - Because it will prove my doubters wrong!

But I will 100% agree that most people sorting it just do it by "Characters I like go in G, anyone who's the stereotypical smartypants character goes in R, idk idc goes in H, characters I don't like go in S"

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.deviantart.com/art/love-frome-Hogwarts-468709243

Sherlock characters sorted into Hogwarts houses, with Mycroft as a Slytherin. I love Mycroft, and thought it fit pretty well. He's cunning and clever and ambitious, and so on.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been widely assured by members of the Fandom!Secrets community that Severus Snape never did anything wrong

More seriously: I think the problem is that Slytherin (and, really, Gryffindor), in terms of the way it functions in the books, is really more of a political organization / tribal social grouping than any actual personality-based thing. So, yeah, it's hard to translate between the book's description of the houses and the actual function of the houses in the text.

[dani_phantasma]

Idk I consider sorting a decent character in Slytherin to be a sort of challenge/character arc for them.

Two of my fave characters are either Slytherin or I could make a good case for Slytherin.

Sunset Shimmer is Slytherin all the way IMO and the first (EQG) movie shows her going the wrong way about it and the subsequent movies show her becoming a better person while still acknwoledging aspects of her personality that are (IMO) very Slytherin. She's ambitious and defintley clever and very capable of being cunning. And if her ripping into SciTwi in Friendship games is any indicator she's hella loyal to those she's close to.

As for Danielle Phantom, I can make a strong case for her being a Slytherin considering that her biggest rolemodel for her developing years was Vlad fucking Masters, who is sleazy Slytherin personified. He taught and shaped her worldview a lot even if she didn't end up like him. He taught her to be sly and cunning in taking part in his plans.

And when she was on the run she had to adopt some sneaky behavior just to survive. She's a very goodhearted person of course but her methods can be very Slytherin at times even if she doesn't realize it.

[(Anonymous)]

Whenever I'm playing around sorting characters from other canons into Hogwarts houses, I always use the stated values of each house instead of the sorting track record from the books, mostly because I disagree with a fair few of the sortings in the books based on personality alone, not just from Slytherin (Remus and Hermione, most prominently). In the books, the Sorting was complicated by family and house politics and the pre-conceived notions of the kids before the hat ever landed on their heads, and the Sorting Hat explicitly allowed them to pick for themselves in several cases, so I think in canon it was as much choice as personality. When I'm sorting for other canons, I just use the stated values:

Gryffindor: Courage, bravery, nerve and chivalry
Hufflepuff: Hard work, patience, justice and loyalty
Ravenclaw: Intelligence, creativity, learning and wit
Slytherin: Ambition, cunning, leadership and resourcefulness

So, yeah, I've put several characters I like into Slytherin, based usually on their cunning, resourcefulness and leadership. Rebel leaders, for example, guile heroes, my favourite manipulators. A couple of my favorite villains too.

[type_wild]

I have the distinct impression that Potter Fandom is none too keen on The Cursed Child, but I for one happen to think that it makes for fine piece of closet drama and the awards it has won would suggest it has one hell of a stage presence as well.

My point is, give it a chance if you're at all inclined, because maybe half the point of that story is that it's about Slytherins getting into trouble because of their good intentions. And even if the plot is hella silly, I think it's really interesting that it sets out to fix the novels, in that regard.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm always so confused by House wank cause people (grown adults) take it so damn seriously.
I mean, I get it as a fun thing, but people are getting into HOUSE PRIDE fights over it and just ???
(The usually book related tumblr profile usually lists age, sexual orientation/identity, prefered pronouns, MBTI and ... Hogwarts house by now.)

[(Anonymous)]

The only theory I've ever seen that satisfactorily explained the sortings of

- Dumbledore, the arch-manipulator, into Gryffindor
- Pettigrew, the sniveling traitor, into Gryffindor
- Hermione, the uber-nerd, into Gryffindor
- Crabbe & Goyle, loyal lunkheads, into Slytherin

Is the following: the hat makes it's decision primarily not on what your actual traits are, but by which traits you value/aspire to. Dumbledore is a sneaky, clever, ambitious bastard, but he values courage. Hermione is brilliant (and also brave, but still) but ultimately dismisses her own academic strengths as "just books and cleverness" compared to what's really important. Pettigrew, who attached himself to the strongest leader he could find, first James and then Voldemort, valued bravery precisely because he lacked it.

Meanwhile, Crabbe and Goyle were taught by their families to admire slytherin values, so that's where they go despite being really more suited to Hufflepuff. It explains Percy, too - I'm not sure whether he would have been better off in Slytherin or Ravenclaw, but he was probably sorted into Gryffindor because, as a Weasley, it's what he was taught to most admire. This makes sense with the hat's choice to send Harry to Gryffindor when he didn't want Slytherin, and with Dumbledore's various cryptic mutterings about 'our choices, far more than our abilities, that define who we truly are.' This explains why you get so many one-house families, and how a single house's culture can get as fucked up as Slytherin's by the time of the books.

Anyway, as for canon examples, Andromeda Tonks neé Black was a Slytherin, and she was alright. And I've got tons of ruthless clever but morally decent characters I love that I'd sort into slytherin, because they don't devalue those things like Harry and Dumbledore, but they aren't trapped in a fantasy-racist bubble either. But most of them are pretty obscure so I won't list them here.

[greenvelvetcake]

For me, this is one of the many things in Harry Potter where you have to disregard what the author said, for reasons of it making no sense. I do call myself a Slytherin and for me, the appeal comes from the core traits attributed to Slytherin - cunning and ambition. JKR writing the entire house as bullies and thugs was such lazy writing. There was a little variety with Slughorn and Regulus.

And as for "all evil characters are sorted into Slytherin," let's not forget about Peter Pettigrew. How did he get into Gryffindor, anyway? He switched sides out of pure cowardice.

[(Anonymous)]

Slughorn, Andromeda Tonks (née Black), and Merlin were all sorted into Slytherin. And Harry Potter, himself, had the possibility. And then there's Albus Potter.

As for characters I like that I would sort into Slytherin:

Stiles Stilinski (Teen Wolf), though a case could be made for any of the houses, cunning, brave, smart, and loyal
Leonard Snart (The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow), I love him and he would totally be a Slytherin, cool and calculating, though I think a case could be made for Ravenclaw
Ezra Standish (Magnificent Seven), being sly and resourceful is how he defines himself
Lex Luthor (Smallville), he could out-Slytherin them all

Basically, any character with classic Trickster traits would tend to fit into Slytherin. And those are some of my favorites.

[cactus_rs]

I think there's a David Mitchell bit about putting all of the evil kids in the same house. (Which is to say: there definitely IS a bit about that, and I think it's David Mitchell's bit.) Like why would you do that? That's such a terrible idea.

And he's right. Everyone scrambling for backstory and a #NotAllSlytherins backstory when it seems pretty obvious from the outside that J Rowls just needed bad guys and didn't bother thinking through it more than that, at least initially.

Plus I always thought the sorting hat was some bullshit lazy characterization anyway. Very telling-not-showing.

[litalex]

I'd love to be sorted into Slytherin and have answered quizzes wrongly just to get in. I think I love books and knowledge a little too much to be a real Slytherin. More of a Ravenclaw.

And both Albus Potter and Scorpio are very likeable, imho.

[jadeile]

A random assortment of characters who I love to bits and I would sort into Slytherin:

Batman/Bruce Wayne (he could belong to any house, but ultimately I'd put him in Slytherin)
Light Yagami and L from Death Note
Rarity from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Nami from One Piece
Rouge from Sonic the Hedgehog
Shigure Sohma from Fruits Basket
Shinichi Kudo from Detective Conan
Jarlaxle from Forgotten Realms
Raistlin Majere from Dragonlance
Raphael from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (though he could also be Gryffindor)

That's some from the top of my head. Anyone, feel free to ask me about my reasons, or where I would sort *insert character*, I'd love to talk about this! : D

[(Anonymous)]

I think that since the Sorting Hat takes the wearer's own biases into consideration, Slytherin being the villain house was kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. That is, Slytherin became the Death Eater house because the Death Eaters adopted Salazar Slytherin as their mascot and encouraged their kids to be Slytherin. That said, BBC Sherlock, BBC Merlin, Obi-Wan "from a certain point of view" Kenobi, Aladdin and Mary Poppins? Total Slytherins. Also maybe Marge Simpson.

[arcadiaego]

Yeah, fandom Slytherin is very different from book!Slytherin, at least the original canon. (Before JKR fell even more in love with Snape.) They're the bad guys. It's daft that in that universe people decide you're bad at age 11, but in canon, that's how it is. I always think it's strange when people sort themselves into that house with pride, but I guess by this point there's a fandom idea of the house that doesn't have much to do with the books, and it's that people are going by. So it's probably not supposed to be an insult.