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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-05-08 06:29 pm

[ SECRET POST #3778 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3778 ⌋

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Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-08 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Kinda hard when they're all dead. Dummies who insist neo-nazis are the same thing and apply to any and every person they disagree with however.

Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-08 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
What - to you - is the significance of the distinction between Nazis, neo-Nazis, and fascists? And what is the fruit of that distinction - how is it politically significant, how does it influence the way that we should think about these groups and act with regards to them?

Because it seems to me that, while there are differences between those 3 groups, I don't think the differences are all that huge or significant.

Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-08 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Pretty sure several historians would disagree.

Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-08 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying there are no differences whatsoever. obviously there are significant differences. Fascism is an ideology, the Nazis were a particular fascist political party and regime, neo-Nazis are militant extreme-right fascists who invoke Nazi imagery.

I'm asking about the political significance of those distinctions, because anon's post implied that the distinction was important and eliding it was particularly bad from a contemporary political perspective.

Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-08 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It is technically incorrect and there are several things that make these distinctions an important matter... IF you're talking about this in a scholarly or scientific discussion. But I personally agree that in colloquial speech, calling them all Nazis is serviceable enough.
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Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

[personal profile] diet_poison 2017-05-09 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
This pretty much.

Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-08 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
i mean one group is basically on life support, another a fringe group with limited political influence, and the final one a bastardized term that's lost any significant meaning because of morons who fling it at everything. It's essentially the left's version of commie.

Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-09 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. Life support. That's why we have an outbreak of white supremacist bullshit going on right now.
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Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

[personal profile] diet_poison 2017-05-09 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
Where do you live? Honest question because in both the US and western Europe Nazis have become a really big problem again (even if they mostly don't use that term openly)

Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-09 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
What nearly dead 90 year olds who are internationally wanted have been politically active? Or people who self identify as (neo) Nazis? I have not seen either.

Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-09 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Why do you think Nazis have to have been those who lived during Hitler's time? A Neo-Nazi is still a Nazi and advocates genocide of entire races of people.

Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-09 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I keep Nazis and Neonazis separate because I consider the circumstances on why they were formed are different enough and the political influence self identifying Neonazis hold minimal. And since Neonazism is political group that incorporates multiple ideologies, people who sympathize with one or two of of their beliefs are not Nazis. It's wholeheartedly agreeing with everything they stand for. And as absolutely deplorable as some politicians are there's not single US officials I would consider a Neonazi and I find it insulting how easily people throw it around.
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Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

[personal profile] diet_poison 2017-05-09 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Why are you using such a weird definition of Nazi? "Nazi" doesn't just refer to specific people who worked for Hitler. It's a political philosophy.

And like I specifically said, they don't all use the term openly.

Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-08 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
correction: about ten are 5 years from dying
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Re: Not related to any actual secret at all, honest.

[personal profile] diet_poison 2017-05-09 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
I'm willing to bet this is the same anon as the thread starter, but if you're actually being serious: is it nice and cozy under that rock?