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[ SECRET POST #3789 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3789 ⌋

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This post popped up on my dash by this soon-to-be 21 year old, posting about how they're going to be a genuine adult soon and they understand how some kids on the site might find that unsettling, so if anyone they follow ever feels weirded out that such an old person follows them, never be afraid to message and ask them to unfollow. Because kids need safe spaces, and tumblr should be that space!

I was so annoyed by so much of the post I automatically unfollowed the person who shared it. I really thought better of them.

But seriously, do kids honestly thing tumblr of all places is a safe haven on the internet?

There are only two safe spaces in life. Your bedroom and your therapist's office. Everywhere else, and certainly the internet in its entirety, is a non-safe space by default.

Haha it's true.

You can create safe spaces elsewhere, it just requires dedicated moderation and a willingness to use a banhammer. Big Internet services don't, because they get more ad views for drama.

Yes, they do. One of my followers did the same thing when she turned 18, and some people have "Don't follow me if you're over [age, usually it's 18 or 20]" in their profiles. See also the movement to chase away porn artists and people who ship pairings with minors, because it makes some children uncomfortable.

Tumblr.

Really.

If you want a site with gatekeeping, use one designed for it.

F!S for example. Although Case has been oddly hands off the last few nights. Which is a good thing, I hope the improvement continues.

Found the entitled rule breaking troll

No, I'm over here.

Wako, I will perhaps always mistrust you just a little bit due to our differing opinions on some big issues. But then you post comments like this and I laugh at my screen like a dork for like twenty seconds.

I'm bored as fuck and targeting people with sentimentality and backhanded compliments tonight. In short: F!S is better with you in it. *raises glass*

Re: As if.

thewakokid - 2017-05-20 16:24 (UTC) - Expand

The idea of Tumblr or anywhere else actually being a safe space is unlikely, but I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with attempting to be considerate and obey specific norms

I don't know if that's a reasonable norm either I'm just SAYING

I think there's nothing wrong with being polite to people you know, but at the same time tumblr is a very bad platform to try to enforce any sort of thing? No privacy controls, people you block can still see everything you post they just can't reblog or like it, open search, stuff showing up in tags even if you don't tag it, etc. So 'safe space' is a bit.... eeh.

However, if they phrased it like "If you need to unfollow me, go ahead. You have the right to control your own dashboard anyway you see fit and don't ever feel you have to watch someone out of politeness when you don't like what they post." that would be 100% cool. I'm also cool with "Hey, if you need to ask me to tag stuff I will do my best, within reason, just shoot me a message about it."

Tags are a shitty way to organize social spaces anyway.

They're... a good start for organizing content, such as fanart or fic, but at the same time there's serious flaws. Etsy uses tags to help the search and trying to find the right balance of likely to be searched and unique enough to actually turn up in the top 1500 search results is a total bitch. Blue necklace is going to have ten billion results, cerulean neck adornment may only have a couple but who's going to search that?

So there's a narrow sweet spot where enough people use it that people know to search it, but it's not so common as to be useless. And then of course there's the inherent issue when multiple fandoms all decide 'space dad' is a good nickname for their character, so the tag is Shiro, Odin, Ego, Yondu, Starlord, all the Star Trek captains except 'space mom', Megamind, half the dudes in Star Wars, Greg Universe, and any other character who's male and has any sort of connection to space. And everyone's annoyed because duh, their space dad is the only one who should use that tag they shouldn't search space dad for Yondu and get Kirk.

It's essentially crowdsourced organization which gets us nothing but Boaty McBoatface which is cute at first, but not when you're trying to figure out if coffee is Coffee McCoffeeface or Beany McBrewface or Coffee Starbucksy, or BitterBeanWater Galore.

What do you think would be a better system?

Re: tumblr as a safe space?

cbrachyrhynchos - 2017-05-20 15:25 (UTC) - Expand

Re: tumblr as a safe space?

(Anonymous) - 2017-05-20 16:33 (UTC) - Expand

I've seen this come up before and it's definitely strange to me. If you need a space away from adults, tumblr is NOT the place you go for it, specifically if you have a public tumblr.

When I was a teen I never told adults specifically to not follow me online, but I had locked journals, private chat rooms, etc etc. If you need something to be private then find a source of social media that can be locked. Otherwise tumblr is so filled with random content why does it even matter who follows who? I don't even state my age on my tumblr, my stuff is perfectly innocent and for public consumption so who cares.

If kids don't want to follow or be followed by people over 20 I think that's fine. Is that a "safe space"? I really don't know. Using that language would bother me too. I think it's different from saying they never want anyone over the age of 21 to use tumblr or reblog their posts, though, which would be stupid.

I don't think tumblr is more or less safe than anywhere else, but that doesn't mean people can't have preferences, you know?

Yeah tumblr is it's own special kind of weird. It's like, idiosyncrasies are multiplied times 30 and as a result people are sitting around shaking in anger and fear over one silly bit of nonsense after another.

Wish they taught kids that no matter where you go on the internet your information is exposed for the world to see. What weirds me out is this crazed need to be so overly protective about everything.

Ugh. People need to stop using the term safe space for anything other than the original meaning.

And I mean, fuck, kids want a safe space from adults? What happened? When I was a tyke on the internet I lied about my age specifically to hang out with adults and be seen as an adult. Like the opposite of the Steve Buscimi gif. "How do you do, fellow adults"

Also, does this remind anyone else of Little Lamplight from Fallout 3?

Edited 2017-05-20 08:44 (UTC)

Sudden recollection of being, like, 14? And being internet friends with some dude in (if memory serves) California, who was a recovered drug addict who wrote weird amputee porn, but was rather charmingly diligent about warning me if he was going to post anything exceptionally violent or filthy.

I didn't lie about it except on the "You're totally over 18, right? Read this 12 page disclaimer that has a hidden enter-here in it." pages but when I was 14-15 I was hanging out with 40-50 year old ladies who wrote filthy filthy fanfic erotica.

I ever saw a tumblr post that was along the lines of how older fans and younger fans interacting is abuse, people just don't see it as abuse, so that's why older fans try to hang out with younger fans to continue the cycle of abuse. And I'm just confused and a little horrified because studies have shown that intense segregation by age isn't good for development at all. Shit goes Lord of the Flies way too fast, which kind of explains a lot about current fandom.

I too only ever did the "Lied by omission" type. I let people assume my age and was evasive if questioned. That sort of thing.

And yeah, I learned what was an acceptable level of perverted creepy behaviour from older women in the gundam wing fandom. People always assume it was 4chan than made me this way. Nope. The years from 14 to 17 hanging with Pervy women in a cartoon message board.

Oh, the shit that tumble doesn't consider abuse is like, watching cat videos and fair trade porridge with almond milk and without honey - honey being of course the rape of bees - and that's about it.

Omg I saw that "bees cannot consent" post the other day and boggled for a little bit. It was being mocked but one is never sure if that was the original intent or not, lol.

Re: tumblr as a safe space?

thewakokid - 2017-05-20 18:33 (UTC) - Expand

Median age on tumblr is about 30 from what I could look up, so it's not a place where teens can get away from the "olds."

I think if kids don't want to follow adults or be followed by them, that's fine. I don't see the point in getting riled up about that.

I don't think anyine can expect - or has the right to demand - that any social media platform be only used by a certain age group. For one thing, even if you get into it when young, you will grow older and won't automatically feel like giving it up (especially since your friends on are growing older with you, so why would you walk away from that?).

For another, there was a time when far fewer kids were in the internet and most spaces were primarilly adult, and adults weren't going to go away because the platforms changed or more kids started popping up. "The internet/this platform is for kids" is kind of ignorant. The flip side is that lots of kids are online and have been for

Oops, hit the wrong button.

...and have been for a long time, and can go pretty much where ever adults go, so assuming a space is naturally adults only doesn't fly, either.

I think safe spaces can only be such if they are clrearly designated and maintained. Expecting certain people to just magically know they shouldn't wander into your entirely public tumblr is futile.

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