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⌈ Secret Post #3792 ⌋

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Because it suggests that the creative staff don't have the confidence in their original character to let her stand on her own two feet.

Little girls need heroines but little boys need positive roll models now more than ever and the Doctor has stood in that role for generations.

"Little boys need positive role models now more than ever"

Where the fuck do you live because those are all over the place lmao quit fucking reaching

Nope. Not reaching. Why shouldn't a little boy be able to lionise the same character his dad, heck, even his grandad did? The character has history, and that is part of it.

I feel like there's two very different arguments here that you're conflating.

The first one is "Little boys need role models now more than ever".

The second one is "Little boys deserve to be able to idolize the same characters that their fathers and grandparents idolized in mostly the same way."

Neither of those seems particularly true, and they also don't seem to have any relationship to each other

That isn't what you said

Stop moving the fucking goal posts because you got caught in a lie

What are you on about? Boys need role models. Having a role model that they can share with other significant men in their lives and bond over is a wonderful thing.

Little girls can bond over Wonder Woman with their moms. Especially since there's new media out. Boys can have the Doctor.

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And Little Boys can't lionise a female character? Girls are expected to be able to relate to male characters because they are much less often given characters like them to relate too. Why can't boys deal with the same thing?

You sound like you're stuck in 1970. They are more female characters out there than ever.

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I actually disagree there. I don't think anyone need role models, boys or girls, and I certainly don't think they need to have role models the same as themselves. When I was a kid spiderman was probably the closest thing to a role model I had, but I'd read his comics and sit there thinking "what an idiot, I wouldn't have done that" or "I'd have said this instead". When I played, I wasn't being peter parker, I was being me with Spiderman's powers.

So I don't think kids need role models. They need only the freedom to imagine.

Again, what is this necessary linkage, where making a female Doctor prevents you from making new female characters? Why is it a zero-sum game all of a sudden?

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Little girls need heroines but little boys need positive roll models now more than ever and the Doctor has stood in that role for generations.

I am *incredibly* skeptical about this.

Because the BBC seems to have a finite number of Doctor Who verse programming slots. If they cast a female Doctor then the probability of the Romana show goes to likelihood zero.

NAYRT

WHAT NO I WANT A ROMANA SHOW GIVE IT TO ME GIVE IT TO ME NOW! *SQUEAKY HANDS*

Romana was never getting a show tho

We would have had one by now

Do they have any concrete plans to do a Romana spinoff show?

It is floated around every so often ever since Romana left. It would probably have happened in the 1980s if Colin Baker as Doctor hadn't made Michael Grade determined to axe the show. It was on the slate as a proposal at the same time as Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures, but RTD was determined Gallifrey remain lost and the Time Lords off the table at the time. External factors prevented it on both occasions, SJA especially since they had a female lead with a sonic who dealt with aliens in that.

Okay, I'll bite... Why do little boys need positive role models now more than ever? And also, what's wrong with the literally hundreds of male characters currently available to them that we need to keep piling more on?

Young boys need a positive role model like The Doctor right now because most other male leads are toxic bastards who teach young boys to grow into men who prioritize violence and murder as a lifestyle trait. Say what you like about Doctor Who, but even its most action orientated days it has never made a virtue of toxic masculinity.

Well, I don't say anything about Doctor Who because I don't watch the show. But it has been around for 50+ years, and it seems like maybe they have enough role models within the franchise for young boys to look up. But, it's okay. Let's continue to care more about whether boy's needs are being met than whether girls needs are being met.

Eastenders is already providing many strong female roles for young girls to idolise. Their needs are met, just with a different show.

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Your... Not totally wrong. There really isn't enough characters being nonviolent. I dont fall in with all the gendershit or role model stuff, but if you are of the opinion that children can only idolize people like them, and that childrens moral code is dictated by the characters they idolize, then yes I see your point the doctor being male is a necessity.

Personally I'd just like to see more non violent guile hero's in general. Want do we have, the doctor and rock from black lagoon? That's it?

Maybe the constant assault on everything even vaguely masculine? If it's traditionally boyish then it's toxic.

I really like how different the perspectives we're getting here are. Cause according to the other anon, what's great about the Doctor is that he's not aligned with toxic masculinity.

Except when he's Steven Moffat's self-insert character (aka the Eleventh Doctor).

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This is the line of reasoning I keep running in to, yes.

little girls need role models too, stop prioritising the patriarchy....

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