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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-05-30 06:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #3800 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3800 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Killing Stalking]


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[The 100, Echo and Bellamy]


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[Anne (the new remake of L.M. Montgomery's Anne of Green Gables)]


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[Pokémon ORAS]


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[Homestuck]


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Re: Arguments that spun out of control

(Anonymous) 2017-05-31 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Lots of them. Probably the weirdest one was when someone commented that she was worried she'd accidentally friend-zoned a guy. I commented that you can't accidentally friend-zone someone and explained that the whole idea is women actively choosing to string along a guy in love with her just to be cruel.

And someone flipped the fuck out and ranted and ranted that I was saying women should be obligated to have sex with guys that like them or they're cruel.
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Re: Arguments that spun out of control

[personal profile] soldatsasha 2017-05-31 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
...But that's not what friend-zoning is.

It's not deliberately stringing a guy along. It's when a guy secretly has the hots for a girl and is trying to win her over, but she thinks they're just really great friends and doesn't think of him romantically at all. Hence the cliche of her saying things like "oh I'm so glad I have you around to talk to about my shitty boyfriend, you're such a great friend!"

I mean, kind of a stupid concept to begin with, but it the term only implies maliciousness when used in the context of shitty Nice Guys.

Re: Arguments that spun out of control

(Anonymous) 2017-05-31 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
The origin of the term is stringing someone along. It's been thoroughly mocked because the truth of the matter is that yes, women befriend people all the time without realizing they're just being friendly in hopes of sex.

But I can't find it now, but I usually see it used for stuff like.. a comic of a woman laughing and building up a brick wall between her and a guy while he frantically tries to break through with an pickaxe. The term's used to accuse women of deliberately being cruel.

Re: Arguments that spun out of control

(Anonymous) 2017-05-31 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Is that the origin of the term, though

Like, that's not how it's used in that one Friends episode from the early 90s
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Re: Arguments that spun out of control

[personal profile] soldatsasha 2017-05-31 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
No, that's not the origin.

The misconception that it means they're being deliberately deceitful is from sexist douchebags who blame women for not reading their minds. But if we're going by the definitions that horrible MRAs use, then "slut" just means "any woman who won't sleep with me", so let's dispense with their bullshit worldview.

Stringing someone along is different than friendzoning. Stringing them along implies that you KNOW they're interested in you. The point of the friend zone is that the girl DOESN'T know the guy is interested and genuinely believes they're just friends. It refers to how most people won't date their friends, so once a girl thinks you're her friend, she won't take a chance dating you.

Re: Arguments that spun out of control

(Anonymous) 2017-05-31 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
That person shouldn't have flipped out at you, that was a massive overreaction on their part.

However, that's not what friend-zoning is. Friend-zoning is when one person wants to have sex with another person, but person B doesn't feel that way about person A and just wants to be friends. So in a sense, the girl you replied to was probably right that she'd "friend-zoned" a guy. Her misconception was in believing in the idea of "friend-zoning" as an idea with any real validity.

In reality, "She friend-zoned me" is basically just saying, "She doesn't want to have sex with me and I feel distraught and resentful about it." It's a way of talking about someone not giving you something that belongs to them but which you want, as though they actually did something against you.