[ SECRET POST #3811 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3811 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

02. https://abload.de/img/untitleducxdm.png

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't pay enough attention to the whole controversy to be sure, but it kind of seems like those are two different images with completely different contexts?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Bruce isn't looking scared or crying.

[(Anonymous)]

He's scared. He cries also when Joker puts staples on his arm.

[(Anonymous)]

They're both Joker rubbing blood over a scared person.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, so we've identified one way in which they're similar

[(Anonymous)]

1/10.

[sigh]

[(Anonymous)]

Similar ideas, different contexts. One is happening within a plot, the other is not and was not the same tone as the thing it was attached to.

[(Anonymous)]

i'm not sure i get this, what is the "other" image and in which way is it hypocritical to complain about the cover but not the other thing?

it feels like some sort of "gotcha, feminists" point but i don't know any context except the debate about the cover

[(Anonymous)]

it feels like some sort of "gotcha, feminists" point

of course that's what it is. that's fucking all it is.

[thewakokid]

The point, I believe, is that there are some key similarities in these two scenarios that should evoke similar emotional reactions. chiefly the victimisation, the menace, the obvious threat to someone not in a position to defend themselves and the use of bodily fluids on the mouth.

If one of these scenarios makes you uncomfortable it's not unreasonable to expect the other to. And people got really upset about it happening to Barbara.

The problem is that there are also some significant differences, chiefly the gender, the ages, and the facial expression. Bruce is male - which will, lets be honest always count against him when it comes to a competition with a woman for sympathy, all other things aside you gotta admit that - Much Younger - so would be expected to sho more terror, not less - and seems scared stiff while Babs seems openly terrified and is actually crying. Babs is reacting worse than Bruce to what is roughly the same situation, hence some peoples reactions may be heightened by that.

You could conclude that people don't care about bad shit happening to a male compared to a female based on the different reactions, or you could conclude that people see the differences in the situation as significant enough to justify getting less upset about this act being done to one of these two people.

I don't know which side I'm down on. but I don't think either side is being totally unreasonable here.

[(Anonymous)]

Barbara fans are triggered over any TKJ connection. They actually tried to retcon it but failed miserably.

[bio_obscura]

Well, besides the fact that the one on top manages to look campy and ridiculous... was he trying to draw a smile?

[(Anonymous)]

he also looks more mildly inconvenienced than terrified

[(Anonymous)]

Well, not everyone watches Gotham, so...

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention we expect Gotham to be completely fucking insane anyway.

[philippos42]

Yeah. I had no idea what the one on the left was.

[(Anonymous)]

That's Gotham? I thought it was some Joker/Robin cosplay photoshoot.

[lovedforaday]

More people would probably talk about that other image if folks actually watched Gotham.

[(Anonymous)]

Not everyone got around to reading The Killing Joke, so there's that too.

[thewakokid]

Meh, I see the differences, and I see the similarities.

I cant tell who's reaching more tho.

I cant tell if it's the people desperate to ignore the similarities to justify why they didn't have the same reaction in spite of those similarities.

Or if it's the people who are only looking at the similarities and ignoring the differences to push their narrative that feminists on mass don't care about the victimisation of men... I mean, I'm guessing that's the point you're shooting for? Don't get me wrong, I agree with the point, I'm just not sure if this is an example of that.

There is a special and unpleasant place in the afterlife reserved for fence sitters, but I really cant see which side is being more selectively sighted here.

[(Anonymous)]

A more apt comparasion would be other covers that show the Batfam being threatened or tortured. Nobody gets upset at seeing Tim or someone being beaten or bloody, but the second it's a woman, somehow that changes everything? I don't get it, and I *am* a feminist. There's no reason to drag gender into it when it isn't relevant to their situations.

[thewakokid]

No good reason I would say, there sure as hell is a reason but there's no goo reason. This gender divide can be a weapon. If it's just "This cover makes me feel bad" you got nothing to throw at your opponents, but if it's "This cover is gendered violence, it's a misogynistic attack on me an mine, and it's the duty of every right minded person to defend me and mine from misogyny" well, then you're armed for bear, aren't you. You call someone an ass-hole cause they upset you, no fucks will be given, but you call someone a misogynist, and you have allies, you have righteousness, you have a bludgeon to bring down on your enemies. That right there is a compelling reason to bring gender into it.

Its possible I'm just a cynical fuck, but this really is the impression I get with most internet arguments, it comes down to who can grab the social bludgeon first and hardest.

[(Anonymous)]

But surely the whole argument here is that the fact that the violence is being committed towards a woman is deeply relevant, because it's gendered violence in a way that's tied to deep inequities in society. Like, surely that's the whole point of the argument, whether or not you agree with it.

[(Anonymous)]

Did the Joker strip the rest of the Batfamily and share the pictures? I mean he stripped Gordon in the killing joke as well and that was also degrading as fuck.

The image just reminds me of that aspect of the story. The blood and torture don't bother me with either gender.

It also reminds me of how allegedly, when the guy was pitching KJ to DC they were like 'yeah, kill the bitch!'

So for me it's context.