[ SECRET POST #3812 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3812 ⌋

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Notes:

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

OH NOo!! I better Stop Shipping What I Ship!!!!

[(Anonymous)]

Did OP say not to ship things?

[(Anonymous)]

Of course not I would never claim that OP gave such a command!!!! But I better stop shipping what I ship or else I may be reinforcing the stereotype that Real Life Gay People are Predator Pedos!!!!!!!!! No Good Person would go within ten feet of Such Things or even Risk them Happening!! I have been convinced and will No Longer Ship!!

[(Anonymous)]

Ah. You are trying to troll!!!!11!!!!!!!!!1 But You are So Obvious maybe Tone it Down A Bit next time!?????!!!!!!?????????

[(Anonymous)]

I am not trolling! I am doing what OP wishes!! I Hope!

If you are OP could you tell me what you wish me to say?? Seeing as OP is a Concerned Citizen I would dearly like to know what the Right Path is!

[thewakokid]

See, I know what your driving at, and yes, that is certainly what some people mean when they pass this judgement, but Im not sure there's enough evidence that that's what OP was doing.

[(Anonymous)]

oh ffs

what would constitute enough evidence for you

[thewakokid]

For me? More definitive language. "it feels" is a very personal and subjective term. It reads much more like "This is why I don't dig on it" and less "This is the way it is and therefore no-one should dig on it."

And come on, there's no need to be short with me. I'm usually on your side of this argument. And if I felt case warranted it, Id be on your side again.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Nah context matters.

"It feels racist and stereotyping when you say this."

Yeah, that person is saying "you should stop doing that because it sounds racist and stereotyping," not "I personally perceive that it's racist and stereotyping but that's okay because racism and stereotyping totes are subjective and you should continue on anyway and not mind me."

When has that ever happened.

[(Anonymous)]

SA as above

Now, if they had said "it feels like this when I do it or read this and this is why I am uncomfortable writing or reading this" that's fine and dandy and perfectly good reason for them to not engage in something that makes them uncomfortable. When they're saying it feels this way when others do it, they are implying everyone else should stop.

"I am uncomfortable" = personal feeling
"You all make others uncomfortable" = you should stop that

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Yup.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what other reaction they wanted after saying May-December romances contribute to homosexuals being seen as pedophiles.

"Okay, I agree with you, but I will continue"?

[(Anonymous)]

Come on, you don't say 'every ship of this kind reinforces harmful stereotypes about gay people being pedos' then go 'well I never SAID I wanted people to stop DOING it.' That's silly.

[(Anonymous)]

....unless OP dislikes gay people and is totally okay with people in theory reinforcing harmful stereotypes about them like go for it bb OP doesn't mind?

But that makes even less sense.

[(Anonymous)]

on my reading, OP is making a moral argument against this particular mode of shipping. i cannot really figure any other way of constructing their secret - it is framed as a moral-political argument. and as a general rule, making a moral criticism of something implies that people ought not do it, unless you have some extremely non-standard views of morality. they're not stopping anyone from doing anything but - as far as I can tell - the logical implication of the argument almost has to be that people ought not to do what they are doing. to the extent that we care about being moral, that requires us to engage with the argument. like come on dude.

TBH I think that this line of argument (that criticism is not stopping anyone from doing anything!) often has a valid point but the reflexive use of it has reached the point where it's often almost entirely nonsensical. particularly if someone is saying that something is immoral, it's just insane.

[(Anonymous)]

Another anon in this thread:

Exactly. You can use the 'they didn't say to stop doing it' argument if the person is saying they dislike something. That's their personal preference, which is different from saying everyone who writes or draws for a certain kind of ship is, basically, contributing to oppression and stereotyping of others and of themselves.

I would like to see anon argue this is not a moral judgment because I imagine it's fantastically convoluted and full of backpedaling.