[ SECRET POST #3825 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3825 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/C5VP3YQ.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's only a problem if they're not open about it.

I have two blatant self-inserts from different times in my life (pre diagnosis when deep in depression and post recovery). They're different enough characters, and have different designs. Only the latter looks a lot like me.

Even then, I feel if you can separate characters enough to accept criticism on the character, you need to learn. We can't create a character exactly like ourselves because we don't go around interviewing people who know us. I don't recognize all my tics. In the end, it's still a view of yourself, like characters based on people the author knows. The only difference is it's an internal view.

[(Anonymous)]

*if you CAN'T

[(Anonymous)]

I don't point it out, but it kind of amuses me if this goes the other way, too - I know an artist who's very much your typical midwestern, latte-drinking white girl who knits and loves cats, but her favorite OC is a tough, mix-raced, chain smoking punk who takes no shit. I don't think less of her for it, but yeah, there's an obvious element of wish fulfillment for a tougher alter ego there.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly I don't know why people do this. Why make your self-insert look like plain old you, when they could be based on what you wish you looked like, and nobody would ever know?

[(Anonymous)]

Because it lets them think that the way they are is attractive enough to get the attention of their favs?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm an artist, in my teenage years I drew a lot of self-inserty characters and didn't realize it until much later. I guess I just lived in a small world revolving around myself and my art did a good job reflecting that. :X

[(Anonymous)]

Not a lot of beginning artists use reference photos of real people to make their OCs. They might copy faces that they hold to be ideal, but in practice (if they practice), when drawing from imagination, using their own face as reference for expressions tends to be easiest. They don't even need to be looking at a mirror, it just so happens that certain proportions might feel right because of the face they see most often.

[(Anonymous)]

i dont get it lol. if someone wants to write a power fantasy or whatever involving basically their self-insert, who does that harm and why is that automatically indicative of insecurity or narcissism? every story has characters that are essentially self-inserts or mouth-pieces of the author's. if you didn't know them on social media or something, you'd have no idea if it was supposed to represent them. authors can and should write about experiences that arent their own, or people who don't look like them, but it's not inherently selfish or narcissistic to want to write or draw something you can immediately relate to or have an interest in. if that's where their passion lies, what's the fucking problem?

this secret makes no indication about gender but i just want to point out the double-standard of how men have done this since the dawn of time and it's never been a federal issue, but when women do it... well i guess they're just dumb, self-absorbed bitches, yeah?

[(Anonymous)]

OP here, I don't mind self-inserts if the author owns it and plays it straight. It's pretty rare that they do though.

Of course any good writer injects a part of themselves into their characters but when it extends all the way to the drawings, down to every mole on their face, that's where I'll say they're balls deep in their comfort zone and I'm losing interest.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I find this secret incredibly petty. It's just another tiresome variation of "why can't fics cater to me?" Another reason to whine about those horrid "self insert" fics with some kind of judgment angle. Now the author has to be self revealing.

I really should write an OC fic with an OC that is nothing like me, or opposite of me, and watch heads explode.

And, yeah, the constant criticism of women's writing, gets real tiresome.

[(Anonymous)]

I really should write an "Self insert" style OC fic with an OC that is nothing like me, or opposite of me, and watch heads explode.

And, yeah, the constant criticism of women's writing gets real tiresome.


eta: fixed mistakes

[(Anonymous)]

I think making a self-insert character look like you actually reflects a certain degree of self-confidence and satisfaction with the way you look. I don't create self-inserts outside of my head, but my mom once tried to get me into Second Life and when we played around with creating an avatar for me, she asked why I made it look like me and I was like, "It's supposed to represent me, why would I want it to look like someone else??" Apparently, I was missing the point of Second Life, which I do not have time for, anyway, because I am not a retiree like her yet. So, I can certainly see why people who are creating a version of themselves but in space or as a superhero or something would just want to make a character who looks like them because it *is* them.

That said, it's definitely a somewhat... uncomfortable? way to go with something like a webcomic or something that is bigger than just your personal fantasy.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't usually comment but I always laugh at all this judgement of OC creators.

"how dare you try to create something yourself!"

[(Anonymous)]

Well, it's your right to dislike it, but coming over to the artists who are just doing their things in their corner, and saying they are WRONG to do self inserts and they MUST reveal themselves otherwise, how DARE they... how sad is your life?

[(Anonymous)]

Or maaaaybe they get defensive because you sound like an asshole. *shrugs*

[otakugal15]

Boo hoo. Their story, their characters. Don't like it? Then fuck off.