[ SECRET POST #3829 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3829 ⌋

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Comments

[ketita]

Yeah, I agree. I think that's one of the things that makes me fundamentally eh about nu!Trek.
Also, I saw in interviews that they were like "the first show to break one of Roddenberry's cardinal rules for the Star Trek universe!"
Why the fuck is this something to be proud of? If you can't tell a story based on the universe rules laid down by the creator, why tell a Star Trek story at all? Just make a show about a spaceship, yeesh.

[(Anonymous)]

I would push back a little on how closely Star Trek needs to be tied to Gene's vision, partly because DS9 was very good, and partly because the first season of TNG that Gene was involved in was so bad (although obviously it was near the end of the man's life).

[ketita]

Hm. It may be the tone of the interviews, for one, but also the fact that it's supposedly pre-TOS. I'd be more okay with something a little more out-there, perhaps, post-DS9, because like you say, it changed things and it was good.
I really wish they'd stop rehashing pre-TOS, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

I really wish they'd stop rehashing pre-TOS, tbh.

100% agree.

It feels like people get the idea in their heads that they need to bring back the ~feeling~ of Star Trek as a cultural phenomenon in the late 1960s, when in fact that is a minuscule fraction of actually existing Star Trek.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, like, I'm excited for Discovery because of the cast, but my preferred Trek is easily the 90s shows, never been much into TOS and dislike ENT.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is they don't really know why TOS chimed with the 1960s (or TNG in the 1980s) the showrunners don't know how to make Star Trek fit with current American ideals and still keep it Star Trek.

[ketita]

^SO MUCH AGREEMENT. I think they don't actually understand Star Trek, really, so all they're left with is the scenery. They're hoping if they make it look like Star Trek and quack like Star Trek it'll be a Star Trek.

[(Anonymous)]

I really wish they'd stop rehashing pre-TOS, tbh.

I totally agree. I lost about half my excitement when I found out it was another pre-TOS show, Why?

[ketita]

Yeah, I mean it almost feels like if they're not throwing in a Vulcan or something they don't know what to do.
I'm really iffy about this "human raised on Vulcan" thing. I mean, really? We already have Spock for that human-Vulcan crossover.

[(Anonymous)]

This. If it was set in the same time as TNG/DS9/Voyager or later, I'd be all over it. As it stands now, I'm gonna pass.

[(Anonymous)]

Check out Treklit. There's been amazing stuff going on since the end of DS9; I'm entirely serious when I say the best of the post-DS9 books is leaps and bounds ahead of the best of any Trek to have ever been on screen to me.

Start with the Avatar duology and go from there, I'd say. Or if you want to jump into more recent stuff, go for the Destiny trilogy.

[ketita]

Thanks :) I'll see if I can get my hands on any of those!

[idran]

Earlier anon poster, but I'm going to do I think my first un-anon comment in F!S, because I love Treklit and I love getting people into it. :D

Some more recommendations of some of what I think are the best series:

Vanguard: TOS DS9-style; series contemporary with TOS, that does really feel like the frontier-life feeling TOS had pretty often, but as a thriller with plenty of political dealings involving conflict between Starfleet, the Klingons, and the Tholians, focused around the classic TOS plot element of a mysterious, ancient, superpowerful race.

Titan: Relatively episodic novel series with heavy ongoing character development and a strong focus on exploration set on the USS Titan post-Nemesis. Strong late-TNG feel.

Starfleet Corps of Engineers: Another episodic series with heavy ongoing character development; series of e-novellas (with most having been collected and published) set post-DS9, focusing on a ship in the SCE, going around troubleshooting various engineering difficulties.

Department of Temporal Investigations: Dragnet with time travel, starring Lucsly and Dulmur of "Trials and Tribble-ations". A little heavy on science, but with no actual technobabble; the author had as part of his goal to make a coherent model of Trek time travel alongside real-life science (with some bends as needed), and he actually managed to succeed. :D

IKS Gorkon: Unfortunately short-lived series focused entirely on a Klingon ship in the post-DS9 era, starring Klag (the second officer from Riker's officer exchange episode in TNG) really digging into Klingon culture and showing some perspectives that never really get seen in the show. (There's an entire subplot in one of the last books set entirely amongst Klingon _farmers_.)

[otakugal15]

For me, it being pre-TOS is what makes me wanna just nope out entirely. And it's due to the fact that the TECH just looks so...new and such.

I mean, we're supposed to believe that tech suddenly becomes so...simple and slightly more outdated like what we saw in TOS? It breaks my suspension of disbelief.

[ketita]

Yeah. I think if they were going pre-TOS they should have made it look the same. As it is, we get a series that can never be watched chronologically because it would be nonsensical. And if I have to skip one, I'd skip this, not TOS.

[ninety6tears]

I don't think they've been true to Gene's original vision since the day he walked away, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. (And on the subject of how Star Trek has changed with the changes, I say that as someone who slightly resents DS9's popularity on the basis of people talking like there was anything wrong with the older Treks not having darker, more epic arching plots.)

[virtual_lips]

DS9 (aka The BEST Trek Series) still followed the fundamentals set by Gene's vision.

[(Anonymous)]

First of all, don't get me wrong, I love DS9 to death. And I agree that on a fundamental level, it still shares the basic progressive optimistic humanistic worldview of Star Trek. But it also does depart in a lot of ways from Gene's vision. Partly in having a darker tone and a more pessimistic portrayal of the Federation and the moral enlightenment of Star Trek-era humanity, and then also in things like the emphasis that it places on religion and stuff like that. I don't think there's anything wrong with those changes, but I really don't think Gene would have liked them. And that's fine.

[(Anonymous)]

The rule they're getting rid of is Roddenberry's Box; a rule that said that, despite differences among the crew, they will always work them out. I think this show is going to focus more on discourse between crew members. Otherwise, why would one of the writers even bring that up?

[(Anonymous)]

...and that's never been done before in Star Trek?