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I like guns. I cant own them, being a britfag, but I like them and I wish the americans well with them.

I like guns too.

The useful question is not whether people like guns. The question is, where do you weigh that against the costs that come with guns being legal? Just focusing on the question of "Guns: Do I Like Them Or Not" is not a responsible way to approach the issue. And I'm not even saying they necessarily should be illegal.

Ok. "I like guns. I think they should be free to be owned by anyone who proves they can be mature and appropriately safe about them."

NAYRT--guns for what? Target shooting? Hunting? Killing people? I have no (okay, some, but they're minor quibbles) problems with the first two and a shitton of problems wifh the last. Outside of military forces, which I'm still not a fan of, I don't think people should be allowed fo go around armed. I think way fewer people would die or be grievously injured in the US every year if handguns and fucking assault rifles weren't a thing here. But then, the cops laughed off my dad's gun collection as legal (he was white) until he dove through an acquaintance's front window while armed with an illegally modified assault rifle loaded with armor piercing rounds.

Well, I personally am really perfectly fin with the 1st one. But killing people covers a lot of ground. Self defence, for a start. Guns aside, would you be willing to kill somone to save your life? Save the life of someone you love? Murder is clearly wrong, but not all cases where you kill someone is wrong, imo. regrettable, but not morally wrgon.

Diving through an acquaintance's front window while armed with an illegally modified assault rifle loaded with armor piercing rounds is illegal. It is a crime, therefore criminals will do it. I live in a country with no access to guns, and yet the bookies around the corner from my house was robbed by a guy with a sawn off. Laws are great, but criminals don't tend to obey them. Your dad would be no-less driven to assault he acquaintance idf guns were illegal.

AYRT--yes, what my dad did was a crime, and what finally put him, for awhile anyway, in jail. But the number of crimes involving guns actually does go down if guns are not easy to come by. Would it still have been scary as fuck if my dad had been armed with a chainsaw? You bet! But guns are easier to conceal, and kill people faster and at a longer range, than pretty much any other weapon. They make killing easy. And certain people fetishize guns and the ability to kill, and I would prefer to live in a society where that mindset was not encouraged and enabled.

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I'm actually against gun control, which I know makes me a terrible liberal haha. In theory, I like it, and in theory I think more regulation is helpful, but in practice it's just a fucking mess.

In the US, there's this huge reservoir of guns. Somewhere around 300 million. One for every person. A huge portion of those are owned by collectors and enthusiasts and random schmoes worried about home defense, and increasing regulation doesn't help here because those people already were following the laws. Banning their guns just pisses them off, because again, they were already following the law, so in their mind the govt is just stealing their property.

The other huge portion is owned by criminals. Criminals don't follow the law so it doesn't matter whether you increase or decrease regulation or ban them entirely. Those criminals are still going to have hundreds of thousands of guns. Only a small portion of gun attacks in the US even involve a legally purchased gun. The vast majority are illegal. When people talk about banning guns.. sure that might be fine in nice pleasant suburbia. But there are a lot of places like where I grew up where you'd be disarming the good people and leaving a fucking legion of armed-to-the-teeth Gs who'd love nothing more than to steamroll the whole fucking city.

And I mean, I'm saying this from the perspective of someone who was in the illegal gun trade, who was one of those Gs.

You -- a white, potentially unstable man with a criminal background -- are exactly the type of person for whom regulations should exist.

I'm also the sort of person who would ignore those regulations if I intended to commit a crime.

Like, do you really think if I snapped I would give a fuck about buying my gun legally? Applying for the right licenses? Going through a background check? Do you think I'd care even if guns had been totally banned? Fuck no. I'd just track down a black market dealer. There are no regulations that would stop someone like me from getting a gun.

Which is also why gun control needs to be hand in hand with reformations in mental health care.

The fact that you would have to resort to a black market dealer is already one barrier to an actual shooting -- they ain't exactly Lucky Gunner, are they? And when we project this population-wide, you can bet it'll filter out a significant number of potential shooters who share your psychological profile but can't/won't acquire illegal firearms. Will it stop shootings from happening? No, of course not, not with all the guns in this goddamn country (as you rightly pointed out). Will it bring the numbers down? I don't see why the fuck not.

This. I live in a place where guns were illegal for a long time, and guess what, we still had gun crime. Now guns are legal here and there hasn't been a corresponding surge in crimes with guns because the people who were going to commit crimes with guns already HAD guns in the first place.

How long ago did the change happen? You should give it time. Strict gun control regulations took a few years to start reducing deaths in the places that have them, no reason the opposite wouldn't be true.

Everybody is a law-abiding citizen until suddenly they're not.

It happened almost a decade ago, so I really doubt that there's going to be a sudden surge in crime involving guns if there hasn't been already.

Personally, I'm strictly in favour for gun control but in a country like the US, I think the ship has long sailed to actually make it happen. It's like getting rid of nuclear weapons: it would only work if all countries in possession of them actually honestly got rid of them but they probably wouldn't, if only for the paranoia of "I bet these other countries are actually hiding some they didn't get rid of so I can't make myself vulnerable and will secretly keep some as well". It's a nice theory, but not one I can see working with the way humankind on a whole is known to function.

If we could get them out of the hands of abusive boyfriends/husbands who decide they want to go out with "murder suicide" then sure. I have no problem with the enthusiasts, even the people who feel they need home defense. But right now we don't bar people with mental illness and abusive issues from owning guns....and these "people" regularly kill women with them. Like, every day. So commonly it's barely even fucking NEWS anymore.

Then there is the fact that is a kid finds a gun and accidentally shoots themselves or someone else with it...nobody is prosecuted. Like at all. The irresponsible fucking gun owners? Nope. Just...oops.

There could be better child locks, and if there WAS legal prosecution for leaving guns lying around where kids can find them easily...I think most people would be a lot more careful.

If we could keep guns out of the hands of psychopaths who are going to kill women, that would be great. If we could prosecute idiots who leave guns around for kids to find, that would also be great.

I don't mind the enthusiasts. But I think it's time we admit the NRA is just a bunch of racist white wankers. They won't speak out in support of black gun owners. They just want the white racist vote. Well, buddy, that just fucking sucks. Either you support gun rights for people of all colors, or you're just fucking hypocrites.

I have some strong feelings about this.

And as long as we have so many guns, cops will keep panicking and shooting people.

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