[ SECRET POST #3893 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3893 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Valkyrie]


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[Joss Whedon and ex-wife Kai Cole]


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[Alyson Hannigan, "Fool Us"]


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06.
[Wolfenstein: The New Order]


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[Anne, the new Anne of Green Gables reboot miniseries]













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Comments

[kallanda_lee]

I can't say I'm surprised.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Whedon was yet another sleazy Hollywood producer? Yeah, not surprised.

I mean, the "casting couch" has been an ugly part of tv/cinema culture for over a century now. So it wouldn't be a stretch.

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure why so many people are jumping to conclusions here. His ex wife's account does not seem to be holding much back, and nowhere in it does she even imply casting couch bullshit.

He cheated on his wife, multiple times and with multiple women. That's shitty, no denying it. But we have no reason to assume he was pushing himself on women who weren't interested, using his power to exert influence on them and dangle career opportunities in from of them in exchange for sex. And until women start coming forward claiming he did that stuff, I'm certainly not going to presume that's how it was.

I don't blame people for judging Joss for this, or even disliking him for it, but I do think it speaks of a personal bias if you hear "philanderer" and you go, "I KNEW he was a coercive misogynist!"

[cbrachyrhynchos]

"I was surrounded by beautiful, needy, aggressive women.... Suddenly, I'm a powerful producer and the world is at my feet and I can't touch it."

I don't think that "casting couch" culture is just about quid pro quo sexual harassment. Quid pro quo harassment is just the tip of the iceberg in a professional culture where it's perfectly normal for (primarily male) producers/directors to have sex with (primarily female) talent. Assuming Whedon wrote that quote, it seems that he saw sex with his co-workers as a perk of his position and status.

[(Anonymous)]

Assuming Whedon wrote that quote, it seems that he saw sex with his co-workers as a perk of his position and status.

Assuming Whedon wrote that quote (which we cannot verify), it seems he discovered that his fame, talent, and power caused a lot of women to express sexual interest in him. And he was not immune to temptation. That is what that quote tells us. Not that he coerced women, or harassed women, or even that he presumed their interest in him. It merely says that when women did express their sexual and emotional interest in him, he was tempted by what they were offering.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Not that he coerced women, or harassed women,...

Stretching.

[(Anonymous)]

See, from where I'm standing, you appear to be stretching.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

No one has argued that Whedon coerced anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Lots of people are implying his behavior was "predatory" or "boderline predatory." And yeah, lots of people are implying he coerced people. Hell, that's what casting couch bullshit is - coercive.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

wrong.

And I'm not certain I'm willing to continue a conversation with someone intent on justifying unethical sexual relationships on the grounds that they were probably consensual.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. There is a high whiff of "not my fault, those horny little sluts MADE me do it" around both Joss' backpedaling and AYRT's attempt to justify it. Yuk.

[nightscale]

MTE.

[liz_marcs]

I don't think anyone who's seen his work from Firefly on is even remotely surprised by any of this.

Although, I admit I started getting reeeeaaaaalllll uncomfortable with JW's feminist "bonafides" somewhere near the end of "Angel" because I realized her had a distinct pattern in both "Buffy" and "Angel."

When a major or second-tier male character leaves the show, the leave on their own two feet and alive. Or if they die, they come back to life (lookin' at YOU Spike).

But if a major or second-tier female leaves the show, they leave in a body bag. Assuming there's a body to put in the bag.

And that's not even the taking into account the shit he pulled on Charisma Carpenter, which honestly was the nail in the coffin of his "bonafides" as far as I was concerned.

[anarchicq]

Not a Whedon fan but curious as hell, who is Charisma Carpenter and what did Joss do to her?

[(Anonymous)]

Long story short, she had the temerity to get pregnant so Whedon fucked around with her character and put her in a coma, effectively killing her presence on the show. She was convinced to come back and promised that her character wouldn't die... and then Whedon killed off her character again, for keeps.

[(Anonymous)]

When you get pregnant in the middle of a show and they have to change the entire season's plotline to revolve around it, I can see getting annoyed. Couldn't she have waited to have a kid?

[(Anonymous)]

You do know TV shows have been concealing pregnancies for decades, right? It's not as convenient as not having to change anything, but it doesn't have to be as inconvenient as rewriting an entire season's plot.

I mean, I love Joss's work and didn't hate that Angel arc, but let's not pretend it wasn't a choice that didn't have to be that way.

[arcadiaego]

It's more the context of which it was done (aside from the fact that there are laws against discriminating on the grounds of pregnancy). It was basically revenge.