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[ SECRET POST #527 ]

⌈ Secret Post #527 ⌋

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I agree. I'm also glad to find someone else who has the same view. It's rather daunting/saddening sometimes that these writers take such attitudes and then somehow gather a crowd of fangirls that faun and agree. I'm left wondering if I'm the only one thinking that maybe she might not deserve the amount of praise she receives. It's heartening to find that's not the case.

Wow. Anon-bashing. I hadn't realized Livejournal was turning into 4chan.

I want to play.

If you take issues with a person, or think they are presenting themselves badly, or have constructive criticism for them (emphasis on constructive, which this thread is not) that would help their work improve, you might try writing a review on their stories or, at the very least, sending them a private note or an IM instead of hiding behind the anonymity of a Livejournal reply post and taking the mickey out of them just because you can. Then everyone would benefit and profit from the opinion and experience you seem to think you have but have not the courage to express.

You know. Just a suggestion. Because right now you look like a total ass, not the least of the reasons being that you've made no effort to even remotely contact the person you seem to dislike so much and have made several assumptions based purely on your own speculations and the barest cursory observations.

But you know. That's just my "anonymous" opinion.

Are you serious? Grow up--that's what this whole community is about. Secrets, remember? It's supposed to be anonymous, and 90% of what's up here is bashing, so you're preaching to the wrong audience. If you can't deal with people getting anonymously complained about, GTFoff the internets.

Wait. A person who anonymously complains about people just told me to grow up?

Thanks for the lulz.

Firstly, no, LJ is not 4chan, but 4chan is one of my internet haunts, so I have no problem sticking to anon and any comments towards my 'courage' in this matter do not make any sense to me. It is your assumption that I even have an LJ in the first place, let alone that said LJ would be a persona that is in any way more true and honest than me just staying anon. Just a thought for you.

I wasn't bashing and didn't intend to. I also wasn't 'making assumptions based on speculations and the barest cursory observations' as her journal is unlocked and public. So is her ffnet profile. Any of this information is readily available for anyone to look at, and look at it I did. If you don't want someone to get an impression about you, it's usually a good idea to keep an eye on what your public persona looks like.

However, I was not taking the mickey out of her. If anything I feel that she is level headed and would meet my arguments quite rationally. I do not feel the same way about the mass of cohorts that gather around her - something you have demonstrated quite readily in your leap to defend. Taking the mickey would be to take one or multiple things about her and mock or belittle her for them. Where have I done that? I have stated that I do not agree with the attitude she seems to express, and that her writing is not my cup of tea.

You have made the assumption I dislike her (incorrect, I do not know her nor pass judgement), that I am hiding behind anonymous in order to mock her (also incorrect, I have done no such thing), and that I have not given her constructive cricticism to her face due to being a coward (perhaps slightly true - I am a terrible lurker in that I rarely leave reviews on fics I adore, let alone the ones I feel could do with some improvement). You have then let these assumptions lead to your opinion of me being a 'total ass', but in truth I think you have made more unfounded assumptions on me (based on two short anonymous comments) than I ever have regarding her (based on large amounts of public information.)

I'm not entirely sure what large amounts of public information out there. My LJ userinfo contains almost nothing, and my FFN profile contains a short blurb about writing and my manifesto on Axel and Roxas. Which, well... is my manifesto about Axel and Roxas because that's who I write about. Never said anyone had to conform to that; take a look at my favorites list there, it's full of all sorts of stuff about them in which they're nothing like what I describe.

As for my public LJ entries, I have a feeling that none of the people who are referencing my posts have known me for any length of time or followed my journal, because I don't think anyone who does know me would be able to take anything I say that seriously, and I don't think it's my responsibility to put a disclaimer at the top of every post for people who might happen to only see that post.

Thank you for being civil, in any case. I still wish people would take their problems with me to me, though. It's kind of silly complaining about me here.

I do not follow your journal, but have flicked through it several times after following fics you have posted to communities and then coming across your statements about Axel - I have a habit of these things when it comes to public journals. Curiosity killed the cat, I suppose.

Your 'manifesto' on Axel and Roxas on your ffnet profile got up my nose because of the way it was written - again with the definitive statements. If there had been one or two 'I think's in there, my view might be slightly different. But you have already stated that you do this deliberately to get a reaction out of people - but where others may react by arguing straight up with you, my reaction was to skulk away and stew. The curse of the lurker, I suppose. And while I do have a bad habit of reading through public journals, I do not have the same of looking through favourite lists on ffnet. Something I should redeem, maybe.

As for complaining about you here, well, that's always the way with fandomsecrets. I made one point and had intended really to leave it there, but felt it impolite to ignore the first anon, and then had to defend against another. These things snowball.

I know what you mean. I know that people skulk away, and I realize that my FFN profile probably comes off badly now that I look at it, though that's not how I meant it. If I meant it, after all, I wouldn't be reading or reviewing well the few fics that I do take the time to read, because they'd never live up by virtue of not being, well, mine. I should add a disclaimer to that, and I will.

But in my LJ I feel that I've made it more than clear that I'm looking for debate and always felt that that in itself should make it clear that I don't consider myself an authority - just someone who wants to talk about this very frivolous subject in a very in-depth way. I care a lot about the characters, and I know other people do, and if people don't want to do hardcore geeky balls-to-the-wall analytical discussion with me, that's fine; I just thought people knew that that was what I was after.

I definitely know that things snowball, which was why I probably shouldn't have responded in the first place. But I'm actually glad having gotten to talk to you, and I am interested in making myself more clear in the future, because I'll admit that I must not have presented myself clearly enough in the past. I suppose it comes from my old assumption that most of the people who are reading my journal are just people who have always been reading my journal and who know me well enough to know what I'm going for. ^^;

The most common problem I come across on the internet is miscommunication. I've had issues with it myself - people finding me 'scary' or thinking that I'm overreacting to something when I'm actually pretty chilled out. It's because the only way we can communicate is through text. There's no way to indicate tone unless we start putting italics and bold and smilies all over the place (something I personally find obnoxious).

So yes, I'm willing to admit that I misinterpreted your intention due to your use of language. And I'm glad this discussion has led to you realising how easily some of these things can be (and have been) misinterpreted. Not that I believe you should start second guessing everything you say on the net (I certainly didn't), but that you should simply keep in mind the multiple ways you could come across to people just through the way you word things.

Sometimes these communication issues are all it takes to start a shitstorm of almost epic proportions (luckily we avoided that.)

ETA: Un-anoned out of blondeness rather than anything intentional. No point in me deleting or anything now as you will have been sent the email. So, uh, hello, I guess.

Edited 2008-06-16 17:10 (UTC)

Haha, hi. xD

Thanks once again for being so civil with me, since I honestly wasn't trying to start drama. I wasn't feeling dramatic when I posted, and I didn't think it got very dramatic, but apparently any discussion here is drama. *shrug*

I don't plan on always second-guessing myself of course, but I've realized from this discussion that I'm speaking to a much bigger audience than I always assumed that I was and that my usual abrasive ethos probably won't go down so hot with people who haven't known me a while. That's what I get for assuming that I'm the public access of KH fanfic cable.

Yeah there really isn't any drama with this at all. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't hung around fandomsecrets (or the internet in general) long enough. Or maybe I'm just jaded.

KH fandom is weird in that people seem to hang out in different pockets all over the place (I assume this is probably the same in other large fandoms too, but can't say for sure as KH is the first one I've really been involved in.) To get a rough idea of your overall potential audience though, it's easy to look at the amount of members in the comms you post your fics to. Not saying for sure that every single person reads them or looks at your journal, but khyaoi alone has over 2000 members. At the risk of making an obvious statement, that's quite a lot of people.

Personally, I always assume there's at least 5 more 'invisible' people cruising past me and making opinions without actually saying anything at all, let alone saying it to my face, but that's from past experience. I've also been called... well, less tactful words for 'abrasive', so I suppose we prickly types tend to stick in people's teeth more. Can be unfortunate, depending on the situation. But that's the case with everything on the internet, I guess.

But really, it's not a problem, just an opinion, so why would they?

Whatever someone says here about your attitude or take on Axel isn't going to change that, so why bother? In any case, you found it anyways. :3

I just bothered because I think people have gotten the wrong idea about me. If they want to keep the wrong idea, that's fine, too. It's not an issue.

Plus I just like to talk. >.>

That works too, I guess. XD

Why? Because speaking from personal experience, this person you're defending certainly doesn't give constructive criticism in the form of reviews for fanfic which she has problems with. I never knew her from Adam until I found out through some roundabout method that she had an opinion about my writing, an opinion which I also had never heard of.

I honestly apologize if I've said something bad about your fanfic behind your back. I try not to do that but sometimes I do anyway, and I'm sorry for that. Nobody's perfect, particularly me, and I hope you can accept my apology.

It's the Internet, so... it happens. I didn't take much offense then, and I really don't want you to think I've been holding a vendetta against you all this time for some offhand comment or anything. I was just trying to point out to that one anon who seemed to have appointed herself your fandom spokesperson that, while this idea of honest and direct approach for the greater good of the fandom is very admirable, it would only work if it actually went both ways.

I do realize that, and I don't blame you for calling me out on it, because you're absolutely right.

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