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[ SECRET POST #528 ]

⌈ Secret Post #528 ⌋

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I don't get why sex and romance seems to be the large focus of Fandom--it reduces everything into sexual salt and pepper shakers. And the slashers I have met (which is many ;;>.>), made me twitch, as they were total airheads. Or they made a big deal about every little thing that points to their pairing (ugh...hate that term...characters are nothing but socks), to the point I wanted to issue em a tinfoil hat.

I met just as many (if not more) het fans who you describe as above. Hell, I hear about het shipwars WAY often than BL ones (and F!S reflect this as well). It has to do way more with one's maturity level than anything.

And there is NOTHING wrong with romance and sex, nor it 'cheapens' anything. It's a natural human thing. Hell, even through the age romantic love is usually hearlded STRONGER than friendship love. And friendship can have just as co-dependency, roles, and powerplay as a romantic relationship. And it can reduce to "salt and pepper shakers" as well. I understand you want more gen and friendship fics and shit like that, go and make them, you don't have to attack romantic or sexual love to make a damn point.

Hell, even through the age romantic love is usually hearlded STRONGER than friendship love. <---um, no

So everything comes down to romance? Most people complain when romance or sex becomes the focus of a series--that's the moment when people drop it and complain that it's a shadow of its former self and "cheap." Eating food is a natural thing too, so is going to the bathroom. ;;>.> Platonic love or respectful spiritual relations--much more difficult for Fandom to grasp--they just want lots of sex and make out parties between characters. After awhile, that just gets old.

Oooo, touchy. Real Life != Fiction
In Fiction....Ridiculous amounts of sex and romance is a writing device that cheapens and flattens characters.

also lmao I love how all these idiots try to argue that "OMG FANDOM =/= REAL LIFE" yet they love pulling out real-life examples.

hypocrites much?

I think they meant in what they enjoy in fandom doesn't necessarily mean they like it in real life more than anything. Like liking shota doesn't mean you're a pedo. However, to write a convincing fic, you do project your own worldview and the like unconsciously or not because they're usually your projection of how you perceive the characters to be.

Like liking shota doesn't mean you're a pedo.

yes it does. deep down, someone has those secret desires because obviously they like it. and you can't tell me that most of the time they get hot from it.

therefore, yeah, i'd be willing to bet that they secretly DO like it, but can't tell people out loud because it's socially unacceptable. in the meantime they'll get their jollies via fanfic.

lmao, SICK FUCKS. why can't they just die? the world would be a much better place without all these pedophiles and other undesirables wandering about.

most of the time they don't get hot from it^

because you know they do. why else would someone read that shit?

So me liking violent movies and murder mysteries totally makes me a violent person and a future murderer, amirite?

That's different. That kind of thing is learned behavior. Pedophilia is inherent.

For example, stupid fuckwit fantards like you are what makeshad made me a violent person and a future murderer. :) People as stupid and warped as you shouldn't be allowed to live.

Yes, but can't pedos over drawn pictures. Pedophilia is harder to categorize than you think, look it up in the DSM-IV and educate yourself.

:D And I'm done with you, troll!

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(Anonymous) - 2008-06-18 04:16 (UTC) - Expand

Hell, even through the age romantic love is usually hearlded STRONGER than friendship love. <---um, no

Uh, yes. Study history and philosophy.

And uh, no. And not most people would drop a series because of a romance itself but how it written more often than not and how they handle it (and frustration of the romance usually taking the safe route). For example, I liked Fruits Basket, I didn't mind of the canon romances in the beginning such as Hatori/his ex-fiancee's best friend, Kureno/Arisa, Hiro/Risa, in fact I liked them. However, the author wrecked the main love triangle by using the stupidest move ever in a shoujo, one of the suitor loved the main character as a MOTHER when the enitre series made it very, very clear he didn't feel that way. Plus, people get tired when the First Girl/Guy wins trope gets abused to high hell.

To be honest, I think a majority amount of gen fics tend to be flat to me because they never quite live up to the canon. And they're not exempt from OOC neither. Plus it feels that I already get most of my gen fascination from the canon and it feels like it. It like getting second helpings of most of the time. Like a good slash fic, it's hard to find a gen fic that shines.

And I think you have quite dissonance of how much smut there actually is. Fics that range from G-PG13 greatly outnumbers R and NC-17 fics. I know this from years of being on the fringe of fandom. Even if you go to fanfiction.net and filter out all the R and NC-17 fics, you're only gonna notice maybe 10%-15% of fics go missing. I'm pretty damn sure in LJ, that ratio is more/less the same, percentage a bit higher or lower depending on the fandom.

They don't want all sex parties and stuff, stop over-exaggerating. Most shippers ship for the romance, sex is usually a perk than anything and some *sigh* don't like the sex equation come in some of their pairings! And it's not the romance and sex that degrades a character, it's people not writing it in character (sometimes this can be pretty diffcult if the character has never shown to fall in like/love before) whether it's romance, friendship or gen.

Plus, a huge percentage of fandom is in an age that romance is running on the brain.

holy shit get out of here with your far-fetched psychobabble

:D Someone doesn't feel like Googling!

someone did google and finds you're full of shit

I doubt it because that someone is showing no proof.

i wanna see YOUR proof first, Wilhelm Wundt.

since you brought the stupid shit up in the first place

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etherealtsuki.livejournal.com - 2008-06-17 21:24 (UTC) - Expand

Sorry. XD But go study "blah blah blah" just to prove your point--made me roll my eyes. In reality, there is really no such thing as romantic love. Romantic love is an idealist vision of what people think it should be like. And it never is--and never lasts that way.

Although science can disapprove that? Look up fMRI imaging and love. Granted it's still a fresh study. Of course love changes, that's why it's not easy either. I'm known people who fell out of love with a drop of a hat, I known people who were married and in love for decades upon decades and I known people who loved each other until one of them died and the other still hung up on the other, years later. Love, whether friendship or romantic, is fickle.

With that thinking of yours, friendship doesn't exist since it's just equal bartering, whether the payoff is emotional or physical. And that familiar bonds are just a group of people who live in close quarters, blood-related or not, that adhere to roles for the harmony of the house.

No, what makes OOC is that it went against what the character is confirmation in canon, not because it's not made by the creator, that's fanon. Besides, a good amount of the time, the character is like an unfinished puzzle board, we might have a good look of what the whole picture is, but there's a lot of missing pieces.

LOL, like school gossip and rag mags? You have quite an imagination. Then gen fics and all that jazz is the same, even analyzing a show is no different either!

All of it is--it's like gossip, just about fictional things. I want him to be with him, and her to be with him, so and so sitting in a tree, it's all brain dead wish fulfillment. And you, you're being pretentious as hell. Fan-Fiction is no different than playing with Barbie dolls. Fan-Fiction is a toy--nothing else.

You sound like Tom Cruise, "You don't know the history of love, I do! So stop being glib!" You're going to start jumping on a couch soon.

Pretentious? This is stuff I had to study in college. And aren't you being pretentious saying romantic love doesn't exist, shipping is like high school gossip and writing romantic fiction is brain-dead fulfillment? Oh ho!

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fandom needs a Holocaust y/n

Besides, a good amount of the time, the character is like an unfinished puzzle board, we might have a good look of what the whole picture is, but there's a lot of missing pieces.

ohh... so the missing pieces are homosexuality. I SEE.

I can finally put together that 300-piecer of the Taj Majal. All I need is two gay guys. :)

LOL. XD I HA HA'D.

LOL, no. This goes to het as well.

However, the author wrecked the main love triangle by using the stupidest move ever in a shoujo, one of the suitor loved the main character as a MOTHER when the enitre series made it very, very clear he didn't feel that way.

THANK YOU. Seriously, you have no idea how happy it makes me to hear that. It made me so fucking angry when that happened; nearly as angry as the whole Tohru/Kyo relationship. Honestly, FB started off so well and then it all went to hell.

Sorry; been meaning to get that off my chest for a while. (I could rant for hours, but will restrain myself.)

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