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Scott is the ultimate boring cookie cutter protagonist. He's unwatchable.

I feel really sad for people who need all of their protagonists to be anti-heroes. Sometimes it's nice to have one who tries to do good and be optimistic and who faces the real struggle of continuing to hope in shitty situations.

What world do you live in where most protagonists are anti-heroes and the cinnamon roll protagonists are universally loathed and misunderstood?

Meh, I don't hate Scott, I just always found him to be rather boring. The only time I care about him is when he has a really intense scene with Stiles & honestly, I think that's mostly just Dylan O'Brien rocking this acting thing hard enough to cover both of them.

Ditto to all of this :)

Yep.

I don't hate Scott - sometimes I like him, a lot of the time I am exasperated by him and his decisions, mostly I'm sort of okay with him, but I can understand someone not liking him. He makes terrible decisions (neglecting everything else because of Allison, doing the double cross on Gerard and not telling anyone, letting Blake and Deucalion go, etc.), can be a terrible friend (I don't think Stiles is a perfect cinnamon roll, but he does deserve better than some of the things Scott has said and done to him), and can be so self-righteous.

What are some of the things he's done to Stiles?

ayrt

Tried to kill him, kissed Lydia, didn't give Stiles a chance to talk when Stiles was trapped in the pool by the kanima, didn't listen to him about Matt, worked with Gerard and didn't tell Stiles, didn't really seem all that concerned about Stiles showing up all beat to hell, didn't listen to him about Theo, blamed him for killing Donovan (listening to Theo over Stiles).

There are others, but those are the ones I could think of off-hand.

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It wasn't the acting for me. It was the writing.
If every other character is more relatable, interesting and has more complex motivations than your main character, there's a problem.

It didn't get better after season 1. They just kept adding more drama and actors into the mix.

I like the concept of the show, the actors seem really great, I don't mind the special effects, the soundtrack was sort of catchy, the mythology at times was really cool.

I just think they wasted a lot of potential with character development and plot, and my overall enjoyment of the show suffered for it.

I wanted to love the show and Scott. I really did.

I agree with this entirely. I wanted to love the show and Scott - but they missed so much, the potential was just so wasted. I think it's the reason so many actors moved on from the show. Characters and story lines had so much potential, and it rarely paid off/played out. The Dread Doctors? They were TERRIFYING...until they really weren't. Scott as a True Alpha and all the perks? Well. Anyone can do those things really, Alpha-earned status or not. Miscommunications between people who have been best friends since they were children, despite very high stakes situations? Sure, why not. We need a Plot Mover. :-/

"They only hate this character on a TV show because he's poorly acted."

That seems... like a really good reason to dislike a character on a TV show, actually.

I liked him but I didn't always like the writing surrounding him, it had a habit of hand waving his cruddy actions, but then I'd hardly say he was the only character on that show that suffered that.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. People complain about his "cruddy actions" and terrible decisions but it's super rare to see people say WHAT THEY THINK THOSE ARE.

His deal with Deaton at the end of s2 where he didn't tell anyone what he was doing and he used Derek without his consent was kind of shitty and waved away because of reasons.

And to be tit for tat, the way Derek recruited Erika was damn skeevy and not something I liked, but the show waved that away too.

Like I said, a general issue the show had was ignoring the characters being dicks.

Tyler is 10/10 would bang as Scott McCall.

I actually like Scott. My fave was Jackson, nothing comes even close, but Scott is pretty high up there too. I generally disliked Derek and Stiles, so I don't really mesh with the fandom.

wow, aren't you a special little snowflake

I dislike Scott because he does a lot of stupid things but the narrative doesn't punish him for it. Instead, he gets put on a pedestal by the showrunners and made the "True Alpha".

He does get punished, though. He was turned into a werewolf against his will. He was stalked by Peter, who tried to make him kill his friends. He was betrayed by Derek. He was turned suicidal by the Darach. He was turned into a berserker. He was literally murdered.

There isn't much causality in the show to begin with. Not many people's actions have consequences. But he suffers. He's put on a pedestal because he tries to do the right thing, even though he does not have to in any way. He uses his immense powers for good. I think the true alpha thing is bullshit too, but he's a good person trying to do the best he can in straitened circumstances that he never asked for or provoked.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-10-25 11:29 (UTC) - Expand

Aaaand you're doing exactly what this secret complains about. "Scott does a lot of stupid things." Like what? What does he do that is so stupid? And is it stupid to a degree that is so unreasonable for the average teenager that it warrants the hate Scott gets?

I agree that people decided Posey was a terrible actor from the beginning and never noticed the way he improved. But. Okay. Not trying to be controversial here, just being honest: Derek has literally millions of hardcore love-til-death fans and Hoechlin was also a terrible actor in S1 and the vast majority of S2. Stilted, lacking in charisma depending on his scene partner, with bad timing and worse line reading.

Also, people who say they hate Scott never provide evidence of Scott doing anything that other characters haven't also failed at. He doesn't face consequences for his terrible choices? Neither does literally anyone else on this show. (Also: he does face consequences, they're just not frequently causal.) He doesn't apologize? Same thing. He's made many irrational dumb mistakes? Yes! And he's 16-18, but you can't tell me the adults in his life have been the bastions of wisdom he and his friends need.

I'd say most people who proclaim they hate Scott have chosen a reading of him that's not supported by the show and based on what they want to frame him as.

I'm not talking about people who are indifferent to him, because I can understand that some people might find the Good Character who Does Good or Consistently Tries to Do Good boring. Some people don't love those kinds of characters and that's fine.

But the people who *hate* Scott? Did not watch the actual show. Or if they did, they were excusing the actions of absolutely everyone else, but going balls to the wall hard on the criticism of Scott. Which is... weird to me.

I'd say most people who proclaim they hate Scott have chosen a reading of him that's not supported by the show and based on what they want to frame him as.

Well... yes? People hate being spoon fed canon and are wont to interpret canon the way they see canon, not just in the exact way writers intended it. Accidentally making your protagonist go too far while still expecting the audience to view them as the moral center of the universe is a surefire way to make your audience hate them. Especially if people had trouble warming up to the protagonist to begin with due to incoherent writing, bad acting, or even just a failure to make the character fun/interesting/relatable enough. Conversely, accidentally making an antagonist too funny or relatable or sympathetic is going to get people to start liking them out of spite.

Acting is a contributing factor, but people forgive bad acting if they consider the character to be otherwise funny, relatable, charming, interesting, or just sympathetic. A bland character can be salvaged by good acting, but a badly acted bland character just isn't fun to watch.

He's not hot enough (to them). That's it, usually.

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