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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-10-29 12:03 pm
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(Anonymous) 2017-10-29 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really uncomfortable with the idea that there's a relationship between disliking someone's work, and being able to tell that they're a morally bad person. Sometimes shitty people make good stuff; sometimes non-shitty people make things that you hate. Taste is not morality. I'm just really uncomfortable with the whole idea. If we could rely on people who made stuff we dislike to be bad people, the world would be a much simpler place.

I know that's not necessarily exactly what OP was saying, and I'm not totally coming after OP here - it's just something that bothers me a lot in general.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-29 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
That's nice in theory, but if someone's work happens to be harmful, it just doesn't work in practice. I don't think someone's blatantly offensive work being shared with the public should be protected because it's ~art. If they want to work on something that happens to be racist, they should probably keep that to themselves.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-29 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

I should have been clearer, I think, my apologies. I'm definitely not defending Cross using comedy as a defense for being racist, which I agree is bullshit. I'm talking about OP's pre-existing dislike of Cross and his style of comedy.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-30 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Ehhhh, and then there's going ching-chong-ding-dong at an Asian person because you're a racist asshole, getting called on your bullshit, and trying to cover for it by claiming you were ~in character~ or ~zomg it was a JOKE, can't you take a JOKE~. I mean, if no one else in the room is aware that you're joking, how is it funny? And then he had the nerve to act like HE is the real victim here. Please. If he'd just owned it, apologized sincerely, and didn't try the bs he tried, it would've been one thing. But doing what he did only makes him look like a racist asshole.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-30 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
I see your point, but:

1. OP didn't claim that shitty art is proof that the person who made it is also shitty, they just said they felt that in this one specific case, they feel like his shittiness isn't just a put on for laughs.

2. And it turns out OP was right in this case. It's one thing to play a racist character, it's quite another thing to do the whole "Ching-chong-ching-chong!" thing at an Asian person, then say you don't remember it and maybe that person was "misremembering", and THEN say that oh, if it happened it must've been because you were playing a racist character and the person you were mocking just didn't get your "comedy".

(Anonymous) 2017-10-30 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
They weren't right in this case. It happened to be the case that the person whose comedy they disliked was also a dick.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-29 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I love how his wife didn't defend him and threw him under the bus!

(Anonymous) 2017-10-29 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Is... that actually what happened? That wasn't what I had seen?

DA

(Anonymous) 2017-10-29 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I think she did it as much as she could without divorcing him:

http://people.com/tv/amber-tamblyn-charlyne-yi-david-cross-racist-joke/

(Anonymous) 2017-10-29 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I've had to listen to more David Cross than I ever wanted to. A co-worker of mine loved his stuff and would bring his CDs in to play on the stereo before opening.

I find the whole "be as offensive as possible to as many people as possible to be really irritating and also really lazy.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-30 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't even know this guy had a comedy show. I thought he just play butt monkey type characters

Whenever I saw him on a show or movie, he always had a kind of condescending air about him that felt like it wasn't part of his character

(Anonymous) 2017-10-30 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
Mr Show is, like, a classic of sketch comedy
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