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Disregard the law.

No, because capitalism is immoral

there's a fucking hot take for you

Then I guess its immoral to profit off anything.

So... you ready to starve first to show everyone how it's done?

I don't understand your argument

Like... "capitalism requires people to do immoral things to survive" isn't actually an argument that those things are moral

Is working for a living not moral? Running shops?

I mean I understand why some things done in the name of capitalism aren't moral, usually by bigwigs trying to keep the little guys down. But if you're honestly arguing that running a little shop to keep your family fed is immoral... then your morality seems a little weird.

I hope your morality isn't equally scaled with your logic. But then again, one's life IS trully yours....

Robots....

You're weird.

No.

Morally, I don't really have a problem with people who make cash illustrating fan faves. That said, I can't think of it as "fanart" if you're doing it for profit rather than love.

Morally, I feel that it's violating some core value of being a fan to write fic out of money rather than love. I'm sure someone more clever than me could make some kind of point about the difference between the visual snapshot and the verbal narrative and how deeply one is engaged in it. It feels like a difference to me.

My answer to this hasn't changed for years.

I'm good with fans being paid for their labor on a commission basis, like custom artwork drawn to a client's specifications.

I'm not good with fans mass producing items of copyrighted material and profiting from them on a corporate scale, like if they took that commission and printed 10,000 copies to take to a con to sell.

I'm not good with fans mass producing items of copyrighted material and profiting from them on a corporate scale, like if they took that commission and printed 10,000 copies to take to a con to sell.

This is literally the entire artist's alley at any (especially anime) con though... like, if they didn't sell their fan-inspired works (be it art, buttons, stickers, hats, bracelets, whatever) there'd be very little left in the alley because there's not a lot of unique/good non-fan made products for some fandoms.

This. Doing commissions or one-of-a-kind pieces of art and selling the originals I'm fine with because the artist is getting paid for the time and effort they put into the piece. But when they start mass-producing stuff to sell, then they're no longer profiting from their time and effort, they're profiting from the fact that they drew someone else's creations, and that's not cool.

The only moral objection that I have is if it harms the ability of the original creator to profit off their work. Which might or might not be something that falls under the category of "the law". So depending on how you define it, maybe or maybe not.

That's how I feel about it too. It's not money that was going to go to the creator anyway-- what, is someone going to buy a book/movie/game a second time just because they like it that much?

How about that person is morally ambiguous?....

What if the charges of law of one's work will justified the income of a person?

I feel it's a gray area. A small amount of profit probably doesn't hurt...but is it really fandom anymore when profit is a large part of it? Fandom at its heart is about the love. A few people doing commissions isn't a problem, but there's surely a tipping point that would change the very nature of fandom (and probably end up getting it targeted by creators and IP holders--treated like pirates). That would be a shame. Fandom has been a great creative outlet, learning outlet, and a fun place for so many people. It would be a shame for commercialism and capitalism to overtake these spaces.

Now, if you want to earn money from fan works, you legally can--on Kindle Worlds, for instance. (Not that I suspect anyone there is making the big bucks, but that's a different point.) Sure, there aren't many fandoms and no big ones far as I can tell, but it's completely legal and legitimate. Authorized by the companies and authors, you know. There are some limitations, some quality standards...but it's definitely legal.

Is that immoral? I can't think why it would be. So the morality is somewhere between "creators accept and profit off your fanworks if you do" down the line to "fandom overtaken illegal by profit driven people and a pay -to-play attitude."

I think as long as it trends towards the left of the chart, and it's either legal or not a huge part of fandom, I'd not worry about it morally.

I'm totally fine with things like private commissions and custom one-off pieces. I'm fine with Let's Play and review monetization. (is that a word? Firefox says that isn't a word)

But I'm not fine with fanartists doing mass print runs or massive amounts of merch.

I guess for me it boils down to... there's a limited amount of money that can be earned from any given market. A few fans buying private commissions, whatever, that's not a big deal. A few thousand fans buying fan-made merch is a few thousand people who probably can't/won't buy the official stuff, and that's thousands of dollars that the actual creators of those beloved characters now aren't getting paid. So imo fuck those fanartist, they're profiting off of someone else's work and someone else's intellectual property.

Yes but they should have to pay royalties.

Morally, I don't care that much.

Legally, the not-for-profit aspect of most fanwork is the only thing keeping AO3 and ff.net from getting litigated out of existence.

if they do it for profit, they're not fans, really.

I'm fine with artist who promote their art by doing fanart - but not selling it.

Crafters are ok, they may profit.

I don't think how much someone loves a thing necessary changes, just because circumstance has them making money from drawing the thing they love.

I mean, sometimes it's hard to find work that pays a decent wage. Or work at ALL. I don't believe someone is automatically "not a fan" anymore, just because they've realized they can pay the bills and buy groceries or whatever by selling a bunch of prints of something they loved drawing.

I'm personally fine with it, especially under desperate circumstances. I mean, if you're in need of money and are good enough at fan art to take commissions, then yeah, go for it. There's certainly worse ways to make a buck.

Also, don't people sell fanworks for profit all the time, at conventions and such? I mean, if you're a jewelry maker or an artist, and you'd charge someone $10 for an ordinary necklace or print, why not charge someone the same amount for something with a TARDIS or whatever on it? You still put the same effort into making the thing, and it has a willing buyer.

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