[ SECRET POST #3965 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3965 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 54 secrets from Secret Submission Post #568.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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General comments:

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Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[(Anonymous)]

Disregard the law.

[(Anonymous)]

No, because capitalism is immoral

there's a fucking hot take for you

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[(Anonymous)]

No.

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[(Anonymous)]

Morally, I don't really have a problem with people who make cash illustrating fan faves. That said, I can't think of it as "fanart" if you're doing it for profit rather than love.

Morally, I feel that it's violating some core value of being a fan to write fic out of money rather than love. I'm sure someone more clever than me could make some kind of point about the difference between the visual snapshot and the verbal narrative and how deeply one is engaged in it. It feels like a difference to me.

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[(Anonymous)]

My answer to this hasn't changed for years.

I'm good with fans being paid for their labor on a commission basis, like custom artwork drawn to a client's specifications.

I'm not good with fans mass producing items of copyrighted material and profiting from them on a corporate scale, like if they took that commission and printed 10,000 copies to take to a con to sell.

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[(Anonymous)]

The only moral objection that I have is if it harms the ability of the original creator to profit off their work. Which might or might not be something that falls under the category of "the law". So depending on how you define it, maybe or maybe not.

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[(Anonymous)]

How about that person is morally ambiguous?....

What if the charges of law of one's work will justified the income of a person?

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[(Anonymous)]

I feel it's a gray area. A small amount of profit probably doesn't hurt...but is it really fandom anymore when profit is a large part of it? Fandom at its heart is about the love. A few people doing commissions isn't a problem, but there's surely a tipping point that would change the very nature of fandom (and probably end up getting it targeted by creators and IP holders--treated like pirates). That would be a shame. Fandom has been a great creative outlet, learning outlet, and a fun place for so many people. It would be a shame for commercialism and capitalism to overtake these spaces.

Now, if you want to earn money from fan works, you legally can--on Kindle Worlds, for instance. (Not that I suspect anyone there is making the big bucks, but that's a different point.) Sure, there aren't many fandoms and no big ones far as I can tell, but it's completely legal and legitimate. Authorized by the companies and authors, you know. There are some limitations, some quality standards...but it's definitely legal.

Is that immoral? I can't think why it would be. So the morality is somewhere between "creators accept and profit off your fanworks if you do" down the line to "fandom overtaken illegal by profit driven people and a pay -to-play attitude."

I think as long as it trends towards the left of the chart, and it's either legal or not a huge part of fandom, I'd not worry about it morally.

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[soldatsasha]

I'm totally fine with things like private commissions and custom one-off pieces. I'm fine with Let's Play and review monetization. (is that a word? Firefox says that isn't a word)

But I'm not fine with fanartists doing mass print runs or massive amounts of merch.

I guess for me it boils down to... there's a limited amount of money that can be earned from any given market. A few fans buying private commissions, whatever, that's not a big deal. A few thousand fans buying fan-made merch is a few thousand people who probably can't/won't buy the official stuff, and that's thousands of dollars that the actual creators of those beloved characters now aren't getting paid. So imo fuck those fanartist, they're profiting off of someone else's work and someone else's intellectual property.

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes but they should have to pay royalties.

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Morally, I don't care that much.

Legally, the not-for-profit aspect of most fanwork is the only thing keeping AO3 and ff.net from getting litigated out of existence.

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[(Anonymous)]

if they do it for profit, they're not fans, really.

I'm fine with artist who promote their art by doing fanart - but not selling it.

Crafters are ok, they may profit.

Re: Morally, should fans profit from fanworks?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm personally fine with it, especially under desperate circumstances. I mean, if you're in need of money and are good enough at fan art to take commissions, then yeah, go for it. There's certainly worse ways to make a buck.

Also, don't people sell fanworks for profit all the time, at conventions and such? I mean, if you're a jewelry maker or an artist, and you'd charge someone $10 for an ordinary necklace or print, why not charge someone the same amount for something with a TARDIS or whatever on it? You still put the same effort into making the thing, and it has a willing buyer.

If you could change one social norm, what would it be?

[(Anonymous)]

: )

Re: If you could change one social norm, what would it be?

[(Anonymous)]

I would like to stop wearing a bra and not get comments about my nipples showing.

Re: If you could change one social norm, what would it be?

[(Anonymous)]

Eating meat with every meal is healthy.

Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Things that aren't secrets or that you're too lazy to make into a secret or that you just feel like talking about, whatever, go wild

Dream Adaptations (inspired by #9)

[(Anonymous)]

What things would you really wanted to see adapted into another format? How would you want to see it done? Dream actors/directors/networks you have in mind?

[kaijinscendre]

Come discuss the movie Clue down below!!

The winner of the poll for our next movie was Hot Fuzz!

What are your NOTPs?

[(Anonymous)]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Most bang-able Disney hero or heroine?

[(Anonymous)]

Let's stick with the human ones.

What are some of the best and worst music videos?

[(Anonymous)]

In your opinion, obvs.

Most bang-able Disney villains?

[(Anonymous)]

Haha, I know someone here has already cast their vote for Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame...

Picture Thread

[(Anonymous)]

SHOW ME YOUR PRETTY FACES, FS!

Alternatively, if you are shy, show me your pets. :D