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I believe the world was once guided by the feminine and would be better if we could all return to that mindset. Men are too unstable to have as much power as they do. The idea that everything must be fought for, the battle for supremacy, the jostling for position, and taking advantage of the weak...

We need women in power, and soon. Power should be used to help people and take care...not to conquer and abuse, not to make yourself look big or hoard wealth. I don't think that merely being a woman means you can always avoid that mindset, it's very ingrained. I don't think Hillary would actually have governed from the sort of feminine perspective I'm talking about.

But I do think it's necessary, badly needed, and may be the only way forward that doesn't involve massive wars and destroying the world. I do think that men can have this attitude and gentleness, but I don't see it very often, and almost never in those in charge.

I believe the world was once guided by the feminine

Can you expand on this

Yes. Well, I recently read The Living Goddess by Marija Gimbutas, and it really blew out of the water the idea that a male dominated society has just always been the case.

I've read other bits and pieces of a more feminist view of history and also am reading some currently...a hundred little details come together in so many ways from various sources to make me no longer just believe the current idea that men have always, should always, will always be in charge. Hunter gatherer societies were and are more egalitarian in general and by design than agricultural societies in general, for instance.

There's too much to put into one comment but these are some I recommend.
The Great Cosmic Mother, Monica Sjoo and Barbara Mor

Women's Work, by Elizabeth Wayland Barber

I just spent ten minutes searching for another title I found informative, but unfortunately can't find it today!!

Anyway the more I learn and look, the more it's like taking a curtain away and exposing light. The world has been ruled, determined, and its history written by and for and about men for a very, very long time. The MRAs have had nearly full control for a long time...and whenever possible, blamed, killed, enslaved, and destroyed women w/ any sort of power or freedom, using the excuses of protecting the "good" women, following their one and true religion, etc.

But there are still glimpses they couldn't completely obliterate of what was, what could be...what will be.

Basically, there's a lot out there to read, research, discover.

Well, I recently read The Living Goddess by Marija Gimbutas, and it really blew out of the water the idea that a male dominated society has just always been the case.

Just wanted to point out that this aspect of Gimbutas' work is largely regarded as incorrect by mainstream archaeology and anthropology.

I agree that it does not seem to be the case that all human societies have been fundamentally patriarchal, but I'm a lot more skeptical of peoples' characterizations of matriarchal societies, especially ones that seem particularly utopian. It seems unrealistic and a product of wishful thinking.

You sound slightly unhinged.

Yeah, I figured Gimbutas would be behind this.

I do like Barber a lot, though I've only read her book on the Mummies of Urumchi. It's true that there is a lot about the human experience that doesn't survive in the archaeological record, and it's necessary to be careful with assumptions about the gender of the person who made a thing. However, it's too much of a reach to say everything was controlled by women when most likely different societies did things differently.

I don't think that merely being a woman means you can always avoid that mindset, it's very ingrained.

So... why not just put people into power who have the better mindset, not just because they're male or female?

Show me how it's not a masculine domination mindset more than a feminine of any sort mindset, and I'll agree. Men have had power long enough and they've done very bad things with it. I do not agree or believe that women would, could, or will be the same.

Women in power these days have often had to adopt a "nobody but me, get ahead at any cost, be tougher than the men and beat them at their own game" mindset. That is not a feminine mindset, and it doesn't defeat the current system and defaults.

Where are you getting these concepts of masculinity and femininity? Where do you get the idea that these are eternal categories? What defines those categories?

It's wild how much the tumblrish "women are peaceful flower-crown wearing saints" philosophy sounds like old conservative "women are nurturers and caregivers" sexist bullshit.

Why is it bullshit?

Women are nurturers and caregivers. That's not necessarily a good fit for every single woman, but it's not wrong.

It's not an excuse to demean "women's work" or force women to take on rolls that don't work for them...it's not an excuse to say people MUST be a certain way or else they're unnatural...and it's not that men can't be, or shouldn't be...but women are nurturers and caregivers.

NAYRT

I'm a little confused. You say it's not a good fit for every woman, but then you bold that "women are nurturers and caregivers". Are you saying that it's an innate trait for women to be this way no matter what their temperment may be?

If it's an innate trait, I think mine fell out at birth somewhere...

jesus christ this gender essentialist bullshit

"but women are nurturers and caregivers."

you mean anyone who carrying womb the rest of their life?.....

Coming from a country with a woman in power: That's bullshit.
What a naive way of thinking.

I agree with you, OP. I mean, it's much more complex than can be unpacked in a F!S thread, but I don't think your comments are incorrect.

OP
Tbh I should not have said something so easily mocked and trolled, and yes, there's a lot to unpack. Most commenters just interested in mockery, not considering a non masculine perspective. Ah well.

Ugh...I live in a country with a female head of state, and I work for a company where almost 90% of the staff is female.

Female bosses, female owners, female department heads, female group leaders...let me tell you, they are not doing a better job. Women are just as human and flawed as men, and they can be just as ruthless in positions of power.

Only the way they're going on about that can be a bit different. There's a lot more backstabbing going on here, whispering smear campaigns, and manipulating other people's emotions. It's a work environment where nobody can trust anyone, and if the pay wasn't so good, I would have left a long time ago.

As it is, I'm one of the female workers trying to be quiet and not get noticed too much by the other women.

Rwanda. Men destroyed everything. Women are the ones picking up the pieces.

I agree with you that women can act just as badly as men, though I don't think that necessarily goes against OP's arguments. those women bosses you've had have been socialized in a system that prioritizes men and male qualities-- there's no way of knowing that a women-lead world would prioritize those same qualities. in other words, an aggressive, assholish boss who "gets things done" might not be promoted to being a boss in the first place in a women-lead world, or would not be socialized that aggression is the answer to one's issues in a women-lead world. it's a very chicken or egg thing, but it's worth considering that the terrible women you may know have also been raised in a terrible patriarchal society.

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